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Would you report a social welfare cheat?

erica74

I just spotted this article on thejournal - http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-social-welfare-cheats-3344358-Apr2017/

My answer is yes I would report a social welfare cheat.

Surely the system is severely broken if â‚¬14 million is being paid in fraudulent claims?
How are these people doing it without being found out?

My own experience of the social welfare system is that even if you have a PPS number and a social services card, you still need to provide full ID and address verification and your application is combed through thoroughly. Is that not the case for every applicant?
I know that when I have been unemployed and claiming a social welfare payment, I have never felt I could "get away" with claiming any sort of payment that I wasn't 100% entitled to and more often than not, had to jump through hoops to get what I was entitled to from my PRSI contributions.

Does anyone know if there is a breakdown available of the most common type of fraudulent claim?

What are your thoughts on social welfare cheats? Would you report someone?

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Widdershins

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What about people who are entitled to social welfare but don't wish to get it ? What would you call these people?

Proud? I know people like that, they keep working despite pain and discomfort. They probably shouldn't. Not everyone can do it.

Some people have to, because Social Welfare payments wouldn't cover a mortgage.

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that's naive at best- if their circumstances changed drastically, you don't know what they are capable of- claim dole and do some odd jobs for cash in order to keep a roof over their head or become homeless?

So you would choose homelessness?

No; if I had family which is the situation you are commenting n here, I would hope that family would offer help and support.

What comes over here is that everyone expects " the state" to pick up the pieces when surely we should be helping friends and family when times are hard?

Always thought Irish people were strong on family?

Graces7

infogiver wrote: »

that's right this is the very same as a 3rd world country like Bangaladesh or Yemen.
In fact people in Bangaladesh are better off than we are here.

What a crazy statement..

Graces7

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

I know a lot of people and I can say I do not know any one working and Signing on . But I do know it did go on in 1970s and 1980s in the most Disadvantaged urban areas of Ireland. Deprivation was wide spread Charles Dickinson would not get a look in. A man would say have 7 Children and there Father Might Clean Chimney for five pound and with that money he would buy sum Food for his Children.

Maybe he should have thought before having so many children.

Widdershins

Graces7 wrote: »

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No; if I had family which is the situation you are commenting n here, I would hope that family would offer help and support.

What comes over here is that everyone expects " the state" to pick up the pieces when surely we should be helping friends and family when times are hard?

Always thought Irish people were strong on family?

Families can only offer as much as they have to give.

AllthingsCP

infogiver wrote: »

So if we all decide to give up work go back to school and collect the dole where will the money come from?

Its not the dole its called back to education and its available due massive industries crashing and thousands of people needing aid while they retrain to go back into the work force. A person can claim once per fetac trust me its not worth ripping off.

200 Euro per week to cover travel and living expansives, course cost, childcare and other stuff doesn't go far.

Graces7

Widdershins wrote: »

Families can only offer as much as they have to give.

Just that not one mention of any support here.

please helpThank YOU

Divide and Conquer is what the Government are doing here . by the Men and Women at the Top of the pyramid with there Big Salaries a Allowances. TDs, Minister, Senators, Bankers, on the Big Money make people on the Bottom Fighting for Crumbs while the Eat Cake.

[Deleted User]

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That's it blame everyone else. "Wah wah wah, the TD's, the bankers". No personal responsibility as usual. "The government are crooks." Listen, if some scrote is on the sick and is picking up a working wage on the sly too, that's bollox. I bet if it were a black person defending this type of thing , everyone couldn't wait to scream their lungs out though.

infogiver

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Leo Varadkar Salary Is?

If you took Varadkars salary off him and divided it up between every one on SW what difference would it make?
Do you think he should work for nothing?
Would you work for nothing?

infogiver

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Divide and Conquer is what the Government are doing here . by the Men and Women at the Top of the pyramid with there Big Salaries a Allowances. TDs, Minister, Senators, Bankers, on the Big Money make people on the Bottom Fighting for Crumbs while the Eat Cake.

Are you living on cake?

Sam Kade

Graces7 wrote: »

Maybe he should have thought before having so many children.

Different times,back then birth control wasn't readily available and the church frowned on it.

Lyle Lanley

Alpha_zero wrote: »

I heard Conor McGregor is still drawing the dole, but i let it slide.

To be fair he's not working at the moment and is actively seeking work (Mayweather fight) so he's perfectly entitled to be signing on.

KERSPLAT!

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Leo Varadkar Salary Is?

Nothing to do with the topic?

Zebra3

infogiver wrote: »

If you took Varadkars salary off him and divided it up between every one on SW what difference would it make?
Do you think he should work for nothing?
Would you work for nothing?

Nobody said he should work for nothing, but great him going after the plebs while he's entitled to a pension after two years work.

Do as I say, not as I do.....

AryaStark

Blazer wrote: »

There's a certain ethnic group that claim social welfare across several counties.
I don't give a frak that they can't read or write. Signing your name should be mandatory and if you can't well no cheque. Also photo id should be mandatory.
And yes to bank account. This whole post office thing is way out of date.

How ignorant. There are older people in Ireland who cannot read or write because they were never given a chance and cannot learn it now. It is why we learn when we are young... it is then very hard as an adult.

Annasopra

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/people-using-make-up-and-fake-beards-to-claim-welfare-illegally-says-varadkar-786165.html

Fake beards? Does he think the public is that bloody gullible?

Zebra3

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/people-using-make-up-and-fake-beards-to-claim-welfare-illegally-says-varadkar-786165.html

Fake beards? Does he think the public is that bloody gullible?

Yes, he does.

And rightly so.

Look at how many gobshi*es are voting FF again after they looted the country.

andekwarhola

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Divide and Conquer is what the Government are doing here . by the Men and Women at the Top of the pyramid with there Big Salaries a Allowances. TDs, Minister, Senators, Bankers, on the Big Money make people on the Bottom Fighting for Crumbs while the Eat Cake.

How long does it take you to capitalize so many words in your posts?

Graces7

Sam Kade wrote: »

Different times,back then birth control wasn't readily available and the church frowned on it.

The word NO works. No excuses. Blaming others...

Graces7

AryaStark wrote: »

How ignorant. There are older people in Ireland who cannot read or write because they were never given a chance and cannot learn it now. It is why we learn when we are young... it is then very hard as an adult.

Well, I have had illiterate landlords and each one had learned to sign his name. And on forms there is the laternative given; a cross with a witness

B.A._Baracus

Reporting social welfare fraud comes with hypocrisy... It's just a fact of life.

A person can stand against it and report a neighbor or a person they know. But all too often it's only because it's a person who they do not like / envious of / who's done something to them etc.

How many really report their father, mother, brother, sister, best mate etc. You see my point. So all this "would you" stuff is all crap sadly.

Glenster

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Reporting social welfare fraud comes with hypocrisy... It's just a fact of life.

A person can stand against it and report a neighbor or a person they know. But all too often it's only because it's a person who they do not like / envious of / who's done something to them etc.

How many really report their father, mother, brother, sister, best mate etc. You see my point. So all this "would you" stuff is all crap sadly.

I personally wouldnt report family.

But that doesnt mean I think they shouldnt be reported. I'm just weak and sentimental.

All cheats should be caught and punished.

TBH I dont care why someone is reported. A perfect solution would be if everyone was thoroughly investigated but there aren't the resources for that.

Sam Kade

Graces7 wrote: »

The word NO works. No excuses. Blaming others...

Are you for real?

erica74

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Reporting social welfare fraud comes with hypocrisy... It's just a fact of life.

A person can stand against it and report a neighbor or a person they know. But all too often it's only because it's a person who they do not like / envious of / who's done something to them etc.

How many really report their father, mother, brother, sister, best mate etc. You see my point. So all this "would you" stuff is all crap sadly.

The closest relative to me who was a welfare cheat was an Aunt and I reported her to the social welfare.
She has 6 children and at that time she was working full time off the books so not paying any tax, earning very good money, while also claiming all the different allowances she could get, including rent allowance for a large house (for all her children) and she was also claiming Lone Parent's Allowance despite living with the father of 5 of the children and being in a relationship with him for 20+ years. He worked in a good job, getting good money (paying tax).
She used to say that she wouldn't be able to afford all the stuff for her children without the social welfare money but she sure didn't think of that before getting pregnant 6 times.

Before anyone jumps in and tells me I'm horrible - just think of the children's allowance alone she received for her 6 children that she chose to have while living on social welfare?

I had no issue with her personally, never had a falling out with her or a personal problem with her but just thought what she was doing was wrong and setting a bad example for her 6 children.

please helpThank YOU

Ive being told of people being reported of claiming social welfare fraud after a win on the lotto . and the people the reported where not even claim social welfare just pure jealousy.

B.A._Baracus

erica74 wrote: »

The closest relative to me who was a welfare cheat was an Aunt and I reported her to the social welfare.
She has 6 children and at that time she was working full time off the books so not paying any tax, earning very good money, while also claiming all the different allowances she could get, including rent allowance for a large house (for all her children) and she was also claiming Lone Parent's Allowance despite living with the father of 5 of the children and being in a relationship with him for 20+ years. He worked in a good job, getting good money (paying tax).
She used to say that she wouldn't be able to afford all the stuff for her children without the social welfare money but she sure didn't think of that before getting pregnant 6 times.

Before anyone jumps in and tells me I'm horrible - just think of the children's allowance alone she received for her 6 children that she chose to have while living on social welfare?

I had no issue with her personally, never had a falling out with her or a personal problem with her but just thought what she was doing was wrong and setting a bad example for her 6 children.

Well who am I to judge. Who is anyone. So not going to judge you.

But one question comes to mind and that's did she know it was you who reported?

Graces7

Sam Kade wrote: »

Are you for real?

Yes.

Graces7

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Well who am I to judge. Who is anyone. So not going to judge you.

But one question comes to mind and that's did she know it was you who reported?

A truly judgemental post of the most devious kind... actually the reporting facility online is anonymous OF COURSE

Graces7

erica74 wrote: »

The closest relative to me who was a welfare cheat was an Aunt and I reported her to the social welfare.
She has 6 children and at that time she was working full time off the books so not paying any tax, earning very good money, while also claiming all the different allowances she could get, including rent allowance for a large house (for all her children) and she was also claiming Lone Parent's Allowance despite living with the father of 5 of the children and being in a relationship with him for 20+ years. He worked in a good job, getting good money (paying tax).
She used to say that she wouldn't be able to afford all the stuff for her children without the social welfare money but she sure didn't think of that before getting pregnant 6 times.

Before anyone jumps in and tells me I'm horrible - just think of the children's allowance alone she received for her 6 children that she chose to have while living on social welfare?

I had no issue with her personally, never had a falling out with her or a personal problem with her but just thought what she was doing was wrong and setting a bad example for her 6 children.

Thank you and well done. What a way to raise kids.. What an example to set them. Rather than teach them ways to manage money and still enjoy life?