homerjay2005 wrote: » He earns more and pays the mortgage. im sorry, but saying they dont pool the money because she fears it will be spent in the pub, is just hyperbole.
homerjay2005 wrote: » He earns more and pays the mortgage. im sorry, but saying they dont pool the money because she fears it will be spent in the pub, is just hyperbole. in this case, yes i would say this is manipulation and its opinion. there is no facts behind it.
ceadaoin. wrote: » Spending money getting drunk in the pub twice a week when his wife scrimps and saves to pay all the bills, feed and clothe the family, sort out Christmas and birthdays, pay for activities and holidays as well as pay off debts is selfish.
R.D. aka MR.D wrote: » So you are accusing people of calling him bad things without knowing the full story and now you are doing the exact same thing to the OP. There are no facts behind it? Unless you are the husband or at a stretch one of the kids, you don't know what the facts are.
homerjay2005 wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » It's worth pointing out that you're the only one calling him a loser as part of your persecution fantasy. Other posters have suggested that he prioritises drink and socialising over spending time and money with his wife and family. Meanwhile his wife spends all her disposable money on their family. It's completely normal to wonder whether he's doing it because he has a dependency on alcohol or is just being selfish. You seem to be determined to make this a sexism issue about how men are persecuted and women lionised. I think you chose a bad example for your self-persecution. The OP's husband doesn't have to be a loser or a crap dad, because its clear that hes spending the family money on himself and that's selfish to say the least. oh really? in the first page of the replies alone, you have the following - Tbh sounds like he has a problem. 1. How did you manage to post from the 1970s? 2. No. That's it. How did you post here from decades ago?!? but that's actually pretty sh*t. He sounds like a fcking nightmare. Husband sounds like an arse, I would recommend the book "Adult Children of Alcoholics" Your husband sounds like a selfish arse I feel bad for the op, her husband sounds like a selfish prick!! Sounds like alcohol is more important to him than his wife and family. its not clear at all that he is spending his money on drink before family - he is paying the mortage. you are jumping to conclusions that he is a bad person and your agreeing with the posters above. the OP has said several times he is a good man but you and mutiple other people just want to demonise him and throw him to the lions.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » It's worth pointing out that you're the only one calling him a loser as part of your persecution fantasy. Other posters have suggested that he prioritises drink and socialising over spending time and money with his wife and family. Meanwhile his wife spends all her disposable money on their family. It's completely normal to wonder whether he's doing it because he has a dependency on alcohol or is just being selfish. You seem to be determined to make this a sexism issue about how men are persecuted and women lionised. I think you chose a bad example for your self-persecution. The OP's husband doesn't have to be a loser or a crap dad, because its clear that hes spending the family money on himself and that's selfish to say the least.
Tbh sounds like he has a problem.
1. How did you manage to post from the 1970s? 2. No. That's it. How did you post here from decades ago?!?
but that's actually pretty sh*t.
He sounds like a fcking nightmare.
Husband sounds like an arse,
I would recommend the book "Adult Children of Alcoholics"
Your husband sounds like a selfish arse
I feel bad for the op, her husband sounds like a selfish prick!!
Sounds like alcohol is more important to him than his wife and family.
homerjay2005 wrote: » i think the OP needs to clarify this also, because alot of posters think he is getting hammered drunk, every friday and saturday night when this, from what i read is not the case. OP, can you please clear this up? the OP has said he is a good person, a good dad and pays the mortgage. thats seems to be completely forgotten to alot of people here.
homerjay2005 wrote: » the OP has said he is a good person, a good dad and pays the mortgage. thats seems to be completely forgotten to alot of people here.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Nope, have to disagree again. The OP didn't at all sell her husband as a complete waster. The fact that some people interpreted her opening post in the way you're suggesting is on them, that's their responsibility. The OP isn't at all responsible for how some people chose to interpret and respond to her opening post, nor to any of her subsequent posts, and I'm actually so, so relieved that she came back to respond and clarify an awful lot of the details and flesh out the glimpse of their relationship that we got in the opening post. I certainly wouldn't have back after the assumptions and judgements passed about her husband by some posters, but it certainly speaks to the OP's character that she did come back, and that she did clear up an awful lot of the misconceptions, judgements and so on. It wasn't the OP was unfair on her husband, it was the posters who chose to interpret her opening posts that way, were unfair on her husband. The thread has definitely taken a more moderate tone since the OP fleshed out a few of the details. OP you spoke of some outstanding debts. If there's one thing that puts an incredible amount of stress on a relationship, it's money, second to that on a more personal level is job security, and I'm just wondering how secure are both your jobs because if my back of a napkin calculations are any way close (mortgaged house in Dublin and working off an average budget for your household, not including any savings), it sounds like you're both in denial about how to properly manage your finances. It's no excuse for it, but it may well explain your husband's need to get blotto on the regular - escapism. Do you worry about finances or being way in over your head or if it all came crashing down in the morning? Have you considered getting some financial advice or sitting down and having a serious chat about your finances, basically try to get to the root of the problem with exactly why your husband has gotten into a routine like this when he's aware of your financial situation. Obviously it can't go on, and I think your husband is aware of it, but in denial about it and doesn't want to hear anything about it. Obviously I could be completely off base about all this, but what's also quite common among people in Irish society is that they let their pride get in the way of reaching out to anyone for help, and there are far, far too many people like this in Ireland, irrespective of their gender, because I've never known one gender to be more capable of it than the other when it comes to letting their pride get in the way of reaching out to people, and wanting to protect those closest to them, they'll pretend it isn't happening.
mockingjay wrote: » Thank you - In a way I'm glad in a way I made it too - for me and for others that may be following it.... I still find it a bit hard to believe I'm one of very few women in Ireland that experience this...
mockingjay wrote: » I have to say I was, hubbie often scuttles off to the pub after work on Fridays & is sick on Saturday, but he was off today, came for a walk & a coffee with me, spent time with the kids, joined us for a movie, it was so nice. He misses so much family time at the weekends as he goes out on a Saturday night too, I don't go out because the early morning football runs kill me, I need my sleep, he comes too, but often hungover, I can't do that... and to think he'll be up tomorrow morning to help out will be fantastic.... I loved it... I don't allow him to come into our bed at the weekend because of the snoring & smell of alcohol but it will be so nice to wake up warm tomorrow with no smell of beer!!! I might even get a cuddle:))
lawred2 wrote: » Shush love that floor won't get mopped itself now..
[Deleted User] wrote: » Ah, here! There's no need for that! The OP has shown great dignity in coming back onto the thread. Comments like yours are not helpful.
lawred2 wrote: » I missed the bit where help was sought..
bubblypop wrote: » So you think the OP shouldn't have any issue with their OH?
bubblypop wrote: » You think its ok that her OH goes out every Friday and Saturday night, to the extent that the OH can't bring the kids to their activities? The OP has to bring the kids to extra activities, her OH can't because of his nights out.
bubblypop wrote: » She can't even sleep with him! Do you think that's normal? She can't sleep with him because of the amount he drinks!
bubblypop wrote: » Is it ok that the OP has to pay for groceries, household bills, school activities, out of school activities, and family holidays, and her OH goes out drinking his money without putting his money into any of this?
mockingjay wrote: » Hard to say - reflecting a lot this weekend for sure!
bubblypop wrote: » Are posters wrong, for saying that's not normal? People are entitled to their opinion. That is their normal It's obvious from the majority of replies on this thread, in relation to the OP, that people do not think it's normal for the father in a family to do whatever he wants at the weekend. Especially when BOTH parents work full time! Why shouldn't the OP learn that what she has to live with isn't actually normal in a healthy adult relationship?
One eyed Jack wrote: » doesn't sound like either the OP or her husband are entirely happy with their current circumstances.
Beyondgone wrote: » Loads of fathers bugger off and have zero family involvement. Plenty don't even acknowledge that they have a child, or a family. So bearing down on someone who goes missing for the weekend is quite harsh considering plenty are missing 24/7/365. Perhaps a little perspective is needed here?
BelovedAunt wrote: » You sound like a very grounded and intelligent woman. I think your husband is very lucky to have you. While broaching this subject with him will be tough, especially since you had a great Easter weekend with him, I think that showing him this thread could potentially be a life changing moment for you both.
bubblypop wrote: » I'm missing your point? In this thread the OP has learned that not everyone thinks it's ok for a father to spend the weekend on the beer with little or no family interaction.
ForestFire wrote: » Does it have to be though? Why not take it from a positive perspective. As some have said, maybe the husband does not see or realise there is any issue. Why not start by telling him all the positive from this Easter Saturday, how much you enjoyed the day with him and maybe you could do the same every second weekend for example. See how this goes as a first step. I don't think showing this thread to him will help at all. A bunch of strangers (rightly or wrongly) having a go at him. It may make him more defensive. Even the op should take a lot of feedback carefully, as i don't think after hours is up to the general level of relationship counselling (inc me) The OP is in the best place to decide how to handle this and whatever she decides should stay between them. I don't think she even needs the pressure to keep this tread up to date (at least with details) but only if she needs more advice. Best of luck to all of you family and you.
Alma Weak Stabilizer wrote: » The fact the kids are teens changes things a lot, I don't see much issue with two regular nights out compared to if they were young children. They don't need minding and really can't see them needing any hand holding at their sporting events. It should really be drop off and pick up after. Also no babysitters required so the op can go out herself too. It's a very different picture. I would actually think it's fairly normal for parents of teenage kids to be getting out regulalry also as they will have gotten back a lot of the freedom lost when kids were young.
bubblypop wrote: » But the OP pays for all bills, groceries, extra curricular activities for the kids, all Xmas & birthday presents. You think that's ok?
bubblypop wrote: » Really? I didn't hear from the OPs oh at all, from what i read it appears that her OH goes out drinking on Friday and Saturday night, she doesn't have money to go drinking.