The Easter Rising

A Little Pony wrote: »

:silly: Don't get carried away.

According to this the six counties ranks as 44th on the UN Human Development Index while Ireland ranks as 6th. Post Brexit the six counties is predicted to drop below 50th on UNHDI alongside places like Kazakhstan and Belarus.

This is what being in the disUK and partition has delivered to the people of the north east. Get ready for the majority (non-unionists) to start looking south in the coming years. Also I believe progressive ambitious unionists would thrive in a future unified Ireland while DUP types would become an ever-decreasing irrelevancy.

Atoms for Peace

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Thanks goodness for the vision of the Rising Leaders or the whole country could have ended up like a poorer and more violent version of six counties in the north east.

The north ended up as the poorer more violent one, both states to varying degrees were sectarian and conservative.

Erik Shin

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The north ended up as the poorer more violent one, both states to varying degrees were sectarian and conservative.

Both still are

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The north ended up as the poorer more violent one, both states to varying degrees were sectarian and conservative.

And I contend that this was a consequence of partition. The RCC had far too much power in south and Unionists had far too much power in the northeast - neither would have wielded the power they acquired post-partition if both factions had to govern the island together.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The RCC had far too much power in south ...

If the "free state" extended to 32 counties instead of 26 counties unionists would still have been in a minority and would have been discriminated against when it came to mixed marriages etc. It would have been a cold house for northern unionists, with Irish language forced down their throats, little or no government jobs, a one sided view of history propogated by the state and in schools, posters of 1916 "heroes" up in schools, "patriots" on stamps and newly renamed street plaques, discrimination against ex-servicemen, no contraception (it only became legal here for many in the eighties ) etc

My favourite of all lines in a public place in Dublin. In this case in the Garden of Remembrance next to the monument of the Children of Lir breaking free from 800 years, appropriately enough, of bondage. It sums up the role of these men and women in the freedom of the Irish people so well:

They died, as the sign above the Irish College in Leuven/Louvain (established 1607) puts it (with fadas!), 'Dochum/Chun gloire De agus onora na hEireann' (For the glory of God and the honour of Ireland):

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An intellectually and culturally distinctive Ireland and/or a socially progressive, enlightened Ireland is worth fighting for. A mere parliament in Dublin where Oirish variants of English ways and English laws are discussed and implemented has never been worth it.

twinytwo

A Little Pony wrote: »

That was a time when people actually had strong beliefs and fought for what they believed in. Still glad the British Army slapped em.

Yet the brits still signed the treaty

Deleted User wrote: »

An intellectually and culturally distinctive Ireland ...

Well with the discrimination against minorities, magdalene laundries, pogroms against jews, industrial schools, children buried in sewers by the nuns, irish force-fed in schools and necessary for third level and government jobs etc, it was certainly a "distinctive" Ireland that was produced in the era of independence.

maryishere wrote: »

If the "free state" extended to 32 counties instead of 26 counties....

maryishere wrote: »

Well with the discrimination against...

A Little Pony

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

:silly: Don't get carried away.

According to this the six counties ranks as 44th on the UN Human Development Index while Ireland ranks as 6th. Post Brexit the six counties is predicted to drop below 50th on UNHDI alongside places like Kazakhstan and Belarus.

This is what being in the disUK and partition has delivered to the people of the north east. Get ready for the majority (non-unionists) to start looking south in the coming years. Also I believe progressive ambitious unionists would thrive in a future unified Ireland while DUP types would become an ever-decreasing irrelevancy.

Absolutely and utterly irrelevant to the topic and has no bearing at all to what you are talking about. As predictable as a Ronaldo goal too.

Beyondgone

I got up at 11. That was the earliest Easter rising I could manage. TBTG tomorrows a Bank Holiday.

A Little Pony wrote: »

Absolutely and utterly irrelevant to the topic and has no bearing at all to what you are talking about.

It was perfectly in keeping with the flow of the discussion. Just because it makes uncomfortable reading for you doesn't mean you should be afraid of the discussion.

It would be poetic justice if a +50% vote for a UI in the north bounced it straight back into the EU via a united Ireland, wouldn't it?

indioblack

"Would you look at them smashing all those lovely windows".

Filmer Paradise

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Thanks goodness for the vision of the Rising Leaders or the whole country could have ended up like a poorer and more violent version of six counties in the north east.

Maybe. Who can tell at this stage?

Unfortunely Dev was the last man standing after the dust settled.

Not many around now who would see him as brilliant for the country.

DEFTLEFTHAND

We always looked up to men like John Redmond and John Dillon in our family.

Not paedos in St Endas or men acting against the will of the people.

LordSutch

uch wrote: »

So how many of us can say honestly that we had a family member in the easter rising ?
I can't but I know about 40 people that say they have, if we went by word of mouth there'd easily have been about five hundred thousand in the rising

... a bit like when people used to buy true pieces of the cross (from the crucifixion), until it was worked out that if you added up all the bits, you could probably make hundreds of crosses.

Surely by the law of averages you're much more likely to have had a relative in the forces who put down the rising than to have actually had a rebel ancestor?

out of every 10 killed that week.. 7 were irish

Trial Of The Century was on tv3 last night

it makes perfect sense that Nidge plays one of the rising thugs

now it's 2017 and the IRA have been exposed beyond any reasonable doubt

murder, sex abuse, witness intimidation, safe houses etc

indioblack wrote: »

"Would you look at them smashing all those lovely windows".

shocking just how poor Michael Collins is

the aww jaysus acting makes me cringe

blinding

Listowel Man wrote: »

Trial Of The Century was on tv3 last night

it makes perfect sense that Nidge plays one of the rising thugs

now it's 2017 and the IRA have been exposed beyond any reasonable doubt

murder, sex abuse, witness intimidation, safe houses etc

safe houses
Ah ;The Auld , safe house....definitely a step too far:eek:

FTA69

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We always looked up to men like John Redmond and John Dillon in our family.

Not paedos in St Endas or men acting against the will of the people.

Sounds like your family is a shower of cringing forelock tuggers. Were they police informers as well?

LordSutch wrote: »

... a bit like when people used to buy true pieces of the cross (from the crucifixion), until it was worked out that if you added up all the bits, you could probably make hundreds of crosses.

Surely by the law of averages you're much more likely to have had a relative in the forces who put down the rising than to have actually had a rebel ancestor?

A lot of them were probably killed in WW1 afterwards or left the country

blinding wrote: »

safe houses
Ah ;The Auld , safe house....definitely a step too far:eek:

it was when they were used by terrorists at the time.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We always looked up to men like John Redmond and John Dillon in our family.

Not paedos in St Endas or men acting against the will of the people.

How unsurprising that you're not only spouting Ruth Dudley Edwards discredited British unionist lie, but that you're glorifying John Redmond, the very person who sent tens of thousands of Irish-born people to die for the fanatical aims of the British Empire and then infamously glorified their deaths, given your previous utterances on this website:

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The paddies always denounce the royal family. They've a fierce inferiority complex towards Britain. They don't realise that the British civilised them and gave them a legal and class structure.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The Brexit hints at the old Bulldog spirit.... They will succeed, Britain will never decline.

They have guts and balls, the bullgogs. Creators of the word's last great empire.

Think of all that Empire gave to the rest of the world. Where would we all be in the western world without the British.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The British imo gave more to the world than they took, a tiny island in the north Atlantic built an empire, introduced civilisation to wild lands....You could make an argument that some of the ex colonies in Africa for instance have gone backwards

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Britain... became a civilised race long before we did. Naturally as an advanced race they spread their wings and endeavored to grow their empire.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously? There's trolling, and there's the British masterrace "civilised" rubbish that you are obsessed with spouting on this website ad nauseum. Replace Irish with Jews or Blacks and you'd have been banned long ago.

Deleted User wrote: »

How unsurprising that you're spouting Ruth Dudley Edwards

makes me laugh how aggressive SF/IRA supporters get when the murder/abuse enablers are condemned

Deleted User wrote: »

John Redmond, the very person who sent tens of thousands of Irish-born people to die for the fanatical aims of the British Empire and then infamously glorified their deaths, .

The Irish people who went to fight in WW1 went for a variety of reasons. One reason some of them went for, for example, was to defend Europe against the invading Germans, who invaded and raped little Catholic Belgium, for example.
Of course, your hatred of the British, which was bred in to you, stops you from seeing that.

Listowel Man wrote: »

makes me laugh how aggressive SF/IRA supporters get when the murder/abuse enablers are condemned

Given every post of yours on this website so far has been about what you entertainingly term "SF/IRA" it makes me wonder what your old name here was...