Wanderer78 wrote: » adhd would be a very common issue but various forms of autism would also be common, these are very complex issues and very difficult to deal with. our one size fits all system truly leaves people with these issues vulnerable and exposed in the system
HigginsJ wrote: » Again, in no way would I disagree with you. To my view alot more people are being diagnosed with ADHD in particular to account for other things and this makes it genuinely difficult to help those who may actually need it. This is not the kids fault in any way, it suits the parents down to the ground to a large degree and the kids will surely just pick up on this from their parents.
biko wrote: » Two opinions/statements, no sources. The education system has indeed failed.
kunst nugget wrote: » Here is a Journal.ie fact check in relation to Ireland's educational prowess. Turns out we're distinctly average..http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-european-education-rankings-facts-eoghan-murphy-cnbc-2992092-Sep2016/
Wanderer78 wrote: » unfortunately our educational system isn great with dealing with complex problems such as mental health issues, complex behavioural problems, learning disabilities and personality disorders etc etc. people who have these issues are very likely to struggle in our educational system, some failing very badly and even leaving the system at an early stage. our system can in fact exacerbate these issues in some
Parchment wrote: » I dont see how the Irish education system can be one of the best in the world - it encourages rote learning for success in the Leaving Cert. I studied in an Irish university then onto a Scottish one - my mind was blown by the difference in learning styles. In Ireland you are coaxed along whereas in Scotland you are very much on your own and need to be an independent learner - the total opposite to the "great" Irish system.
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » they eventually get back into the system,The Prison system things are changing but very slowly we will look back in horror in 50 years time at how badly kids were treated by the state trying to get basic help to improve their lves
kunst nugget wrote: » I don't know if you can necessarily base the entire university systems of two countries on the individual courses you did.
Wanderer78 wrote: » i was recently told by an experienced special needs assistant that a study was done in a scottish prison some time ago and found that 60% of the prison population had dyslexia!
Parchment wrote: » I saw the way the Irish student (there were 35 students on the course, 8 were Irish) floundered with the Scottish style of "do it yourself". Obviously they coped but the Scottish student were far better versed in doing it themselves.
Tayschren wrote: » The sheer idiocy of this thread is astounding, firstly if you were educated in the Irish system then the abiltiy to see how bad it was in your mind is in fact a positive that you didn't realise but then again not realising shows how badly educated you were in the first place leading to the fact that it must be a really top notch system if it got you to the point where you dont know what you really know because your too smart to know your stupid.
DrumSteve wrote: » I hate these threads.
bodhrandude wrote: » OP they are all over the place, not just in Ireland, Neds (non-educated delinquents) in Scotland, chavs in England. Guess what? America has them too.
team_actimel wrote: » There were a fair few skangers in my school in the country and they got the same level of education as the rest of us (in primary school anyway). For some reason they didn't listen or absorb even the most basic of grammatical English. You only have to take a look at some of their Facebook pages and the lessons of punctuation and grammar seemed to have passed them by. "im full time mommy to 2 beautifull angles who I luv ta bits nd wud do anyting for i like to enjoy life and am a mad ting"
valoren wrote: » The idiom 'you can drag a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it' is apt for that question. Some people for whatever reason, be it indifference, boredom, frustration, learning disability, will never be interested in education. I define education as reading comprehension, writing correctly with regards to grammar and fundamental arithmetic ability. You get all that in Primary. Secondary school is the application of those skills to specific defined subjects with the three R's refined and mastered at an advanced level. So basically being able to fill out a form on your own, or making sure you haven't been shortchanged for example to me means you're educated. But for skangers, anything beyond that level of education or understanding simply holds little weight in their social circles. Should a skanger find themselves using correct english on facebook comments for example, they would be vilified, singled out, isolated for using 'dem big wurds'. It's almost a form of compliance I guess.
Everlong1 wrote: » Spot on. This will continue unless we start demanding an end to the welfare entitlement culture and elect politicians and parties who are prepared to tackle same. I was very encouraged by Leo Varadkar's recent comments on this. Anyone wanting to see an end to the welfare lifestyle option should think about supporting Fine Gael and encouraging them along this road. Fianna Fail of course have destroyed Ireland twice - the first time was in the late 70's/ early 80's - and will destroy the country again by throwing money at everyone on welfare to buy votes if they slither into power again.
Glenbhoy wrote: » Well it is by people in Ireland, never been clear on what basis though. It's grand imo, but it's no Finnish system!
kunst nugget wrote: » Ah, now. I think your clothes aren't that bad. They bring out the pink in your eyes.
team_actimel wrote: » Reading that hurt my brain. *You're too smart to know you're stupid.
HigginsJ wrote: » I don't think anyone would argue with you on this one but I think this is more about a certain demographic and the high propensity for them to not fully engage with the educational system. I would love to see how many of these children are given an out in that they are suffering from "ADHD". I'm sure there are legitimate cases of those who suffer from this but it is something that is being bandied about willy nilly to excuse unacceptable behaviour.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » An excellent education system would IMHO: - Teach ALL religions and spend about 30 minutes a week on it - Teach Philosophy and spend at least 2 hours a week on it - Offer Latin as an alternative in the 'Dead Languages department' - Offer vocational training as an alternative to full-time formal academic education, leading to trades including IT. - A starting salary for teachers at the median average wage only increase from there but be performance related - Have huge amounts of ancillary services to deal with children with issues, including interaction with social services And plenty of others.
Red_Wake wrote: » 1) As most schools are owned by RCC, not gonna happen, not sure if this happens in Educate Together? 2)So you're replacing Catholicism with Philosophy - I'd argue you're just changing your dogma, as Philosophy has as many schools of thought as religion 3) Latin is even less useful than Irish, bear in mind that while Irish has no private sector employment AFAIK, as an EU language there are jobs in it as EU admins, as well as catering to the recreational Irish speakers[of which there are a few 4)What you're proposing is basically students going into FAS rather than university, a friend of mine is on an apprenticeship sponsored by FAS to become an electrician. 5) Paying public servants more has never fixed an irish public service, and never will. 6)Covered through the SNA program for schools, which employs over 10,000 SNAs to help disadvantaged kids[425 million is the annual budget for this program] Might want to detail your other suggestions, seem the ones listed above are either nonsense or already implemented.
