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mountgomery burns

bluelad1 wrote: »

I'm sorry there was no need to release a statement as it's fairly common knowledge Tom had this in mind since Christmas. Tom is an independent free spirited kind of fella too so nobody would have read anything sinister into it.

Clearly not the case reading this forum though.

bluelad1

debok wrote: »

Sorry just wondering how do you know magrath wrote the statement ? Like is that official cos i find it hard to believe that devine would give the go ahead for it.There was a need to release a statement because there would be fellas on here coming up with crazy reasons for him leaving panel if a statement wasn't given.hes a big loss though cos when he gets his first touch right hes hard man to stop

I'm not telling you here how I know but I'm telling you its fact Derek wrote it and anyone who knows him can see Derek's phrases all through it. I'm sorry there was no need to release a statement as it's fairly common knowledge Tom had this in mind since Christmas. Tom is an independent free spirited kind of fella too so nobody would have read anything sinister into it.

Stopitwillya

Deise Gael wrote: »

Don't let the bullies get to you lad.

Anyone who knows anything about what's going on in the camp knows that the whole thing is falling apart.

Pretty fed up with the subterfuge going on here.

Big meeting on the Monday night after the Cork game when Philip Murphy was told to sling his hook because he challenged McGrath to try to play a more positive game.

McGrath likes to talk a good game but just imagine if it was any of the previous Waterford managers in the last twenty years who couldn't hold on to a selector for longer than one season.

Anyone tuned in around the town knows that McGrath's latest ravings over the past month on the media are designed to position himself for a job next year out of Croke Park.
This guy hasn't confidence in himself not to mind trying to having what it takes to bring a team with him.

Keep on posting lad.

And what job would that be. Would it be Martin Fogartys job cause he would have to resign up in Croke Park as he will be too busy training Ballygunner, like you said earlier in the year. How many sessions has Fogarty and Tommy Dunne done with the gunners by the way?

On Philip Murphy challenging McGrath to play a more positive game, I highly doubt that. The Roanmore teams he trained were even more defensive than Waterford under McGrath. We need someone like Paul Flynn as a selector. Someone who would get us playing attacking hurling. If only.

bluelad1

Deise Gael wrote: »

Don't let the bullies get to you lad.

Anyone who knows anything about what's going on in the camp knows that the whole thing is falling apart.

Pretty fed up with the subterfuge going on here.

Big meeting on the Monday night after the Cork game when Philip Murphy was told to sling his hook because he challenged McGrath to try to play a more positive game.

McGrath likes to talk a good game but just imagine if it was any of the previous Waterford managers in the last twenty years who couldn't hold on to a selector for longer than one season.

Anyone tuned in around the town knows that McGrath's latest ravings over the past month on the media are designed to position himself for a job next year out of Croke Park.
This guy hasn't confidence in himself not to mind trying to having what it takes to bring a team with him.

Keep on posting lad.

The turnover in selectors and members of backroom team over last 4 years is something that would make you wonder what's going on in the squad....

debok

bluelad1 wrote: »

I'm not insinuating anything at all...I'm saying it's a fact Derek wrote the statement. There was no need to release any statement...just shows the obsession with media that exists

Sorry just wondering how do you know magrath wrote the statement ? Like is that official cos i find it hard to believe that devine would give the go ahead for it.There was a need to release a statement because there would be fellas on here coming up with crazy reasons for him leaving panel if a statement wasn't given.hes a big loss though cos when he gets his first touch right hes hard man to stop

Deise Gael

bluelad1 wrote: »

What's point are you trying to make?? I saw something happen which I felt was wrong and basically pathetic really so I decided to post my opinion and in order to do so I had to create an account. Again I fail to see your point

Don't let the bullies get to you lad.

Anyone who knows anything about what's going on in the camp knows that the whole thing is falling apart.

Pretty fed up with the subterfuge going on here.

Big meeting on the Monday night after the Cork game when Philip Murphy was told to sling his hook because he challenged McGrath to try to play a more positive game.

McGrath likes to talk a good game but just imagine if it was any of the previous Waterford managers in the last twenty years who couldn't hold on to a selector for longer than one season.

Anyone tuned in around the town knows that McGrath's latest ravings over the past month on the media are designed to position himself for a job next year out of Croke Park.
This guy hasn't confidence in himself not to mind trying to having what it takes to bring a team with him.

Keep on posting lad.

bluelad1

danganabu wrote: »

If you actually believe that why did you have to open a new account to post your anti McGrath rhetoric?

What's point are you trying to make?? I saw something happen which I felt was wrong and basically pathetic really so I decided to post my opinion and in order to do so I had to create an account. Again I fail to see your point

hurler on de ditch

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

Might want to read his statement

his statement was not going to be anything other than polite and gracious ,but the way i see it is ,he may as well go off on a holiday ,he is busting his balls training and then has to sit out every match while he looks on at the unfolding chaos that is Mc Grath.s brand of hurling ,watching many non scoring forwards get in ahead of him ,he will not get a game ahead of the Brick ,he knows it ,mc Grath knows it ,so its off to the sunshine

danganabu

bluelad1 wrote: »

I'm not insinuating anything at all...I'm saying it's a fact Derek wrote the statement. There was no need to release any statement...just shows the obsession with media that exists

If you actually believe that why did you have to open a new account to post your anti McGrath rhetoric?

JesusRef

bluelad1 wrote: »

Think dungarvan are slipping back a good bit tbh...dls should be much better this year..stronger panel and a happier camp

Thats a shame about Dungarvan - I thought they would damage but they may have too many of the same type of forward.

I discounted DLS based on the last few years, they certainly have the panel if they have got their act together

bluelad1

JesusRef wrote: »

Its hard to see past Ballygunnar again and I think the only club with the panel to challenge are Dungarvan, but they need big improvements from the last few years where they have under performed - this will be a big year for them.

Think dungarvan are slipping back a good bit tbh...dls should be much better this year..stronger panel and a happier camp

bluelad1

robopaddy2 wrote: »

So you do believe your own crap. Thanks for clarifying that.

You're really need to wake up if you think Derek didn't write that statement...his obsession with the media is far too much...as I said earlier it's time to start concentrating on tipperary and stop giving constant interviews

Twiceasnice97

bluelad1 wrote: »

There's not a hope in hell that the semi retired one didn't write that statement..time we stayed out of the media now for christ sake

there are a few of you on here that are gone off the wall with rage

Twiceasnice97

Deiseen wrote: »

Jesus Christ lads. Davy Fitz was less divisive than this when he was with us.

Not a huge fan of McGraths tactics at times but the sheer level of anger in the criticism here is beyond belief.

The man is putting his best into the county for nothing more than the love of the Jersey, you might not agree with everything (i don't) but a minimum level of respect and manners are required.

where have you been for the last 15 years?

The Current Waterford manager has a young family yet he has decided not to work. Do you think he is signing on and living off that?

Can you tell me what the previous Waterford Clare and now Wexford manager did for a living during the years he has been coaching?

There is nothing nefarious whatsoever about what they are doing but the gaa needs to get a grip on the amounts of money being spent on managers.

Shortening the intercounty season is a critical step in reeling in the spend on intercounty sides.

The second step would be a requirement that payments to all individuals who are not players would have to be put in the annual accounts as a direct sum of money rather than the current situation which allows a lump sum to be displayed. This would have the effect of forcing county boards to cook their books in a very open forum if they were of a mind to do so.
They should also outlaw supporters clubs that do not publish accounts as was the case in Clare for the last five years

robopaddy2

JesusRef wrote: »

Its hard to see past Ballygunnar again and I think the only club with the panel to challenge are Dungarvan, but they need big improvements from the last few years where they have under performed - this will be a big year for them.

Whose managing them this year?

JesusRef

Its hard to see past Ballygunnar again and I think the only club with the panel to challenge are Dungarvan, but they need big improvements from the last few years where they have under performed - this will be a big year for them.

Cake Man

Who would be the main young prospects making their first (or second) year at senior for each of the clubs, to keep an eye out for?

PTH2009

The blue blaa wrote: »

Anyone care to talk about the upcoming County championship games the weekend, instead of petty arguments?

Who is going to put it up to Ballygunner this season or is it simply their's to lose?

Lot of new faces on the sidelines for a lot of teams.

unless a few clubs improve on there form last year than Ballygunner could win it handy. DLS and Mount Sion are not the teams they were and seem to be struggling, Dungarvan are good on paper but always seem to fall short, Passage, Fourmilewater and Abbeyside can be hot and cold. Roanmore, Tallow, Ballyduff Lower and Portlaw are not good enough too go all the way but can cause problems for teams. be interesting to see will Lismore bring there 2016 form into the senior championship

Fact is ATM waterford senior clubs dont have the ability to challenge for Munster and All Ireland titles. Ballygunner have the strenght too challenge for prov honors but like last year cant get over the line

Motivator

Stopitwillya wrote: »

The player that left was only there to make numbers for a match in training. He is no loss to the set up.

That's a terrible comment to make. Gavin has been part of the panel since 2012 & did his bit whenever he was called upon. I thought he was excellent in his first season and for whatever reason he just didn't feature in McGrath's plans - like a few decent players. To say he's no loss is just plain wrong and it's a nasty comment to pass about someone who gave a huge amount of time and effort for Waterford. I really don't think it's fair for anyone to say that about a player on the panel whether they are on the starting 15 or just on the match day extended panel. I'm not a Roanmore man, far from it, but I respect what he's given for Waterford and he doesn't deserve comments like that.

And by the way, yes he is a loss to the set up. You're forgetting that a lot of these lads are very good friends away from the panel and Gavin would have been a positive influence on a lot of lads. Iggy has been sub keeper for a few years now and if he was to walk away in the morning I'm sure people would say he's no loss to the set up. What people don't know is that Iggy is probably the most respected player on the panel and I think he's the players "representative" on the panel (someone more in the know might correct me on this if I'm mistaken). Every single one of the players on the panel bring their own qualities to the set up. Whether it's leadership, humour etc. They all bring something so you're actually wrong on every aspect of that rubbish comment.

robopaddy2

bluelad1 wrote: »

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Its always been the same. In fact I cannot think back to a single manager that certain Waterford public didn't crib about. Back as far as Justin McCarthy, Davy Fitz, Skully Ryan and now Derek McGrath. Its boring at this stage. At least with outside managers we had none of this 'pet' and only 'picking him because of his club' nonsense. But people will always point to the manager as excuses for us not winning an AI. It was Justins fault in 07', Davy Fitz in 08'. Skully took us backwards and now people are ready to hammer Derek Mac if we don't win it in the next year or 2.
The abuse of McGrath though has been on a different level, Ive never witnessed anything like it. Some of it personal and vile like we've seen above. you've people insinuating that he wrote a statement that praises himself. Its getting ridiculous some of the theories, I wonder if some people actually really believe the crap they are posting

I'm not insinuating anything at all...I'm saying it's a fact Derek wrote the statement. There was no need to release any statement...just shows the obsession with media that exists

So you do believe your own crap. Thanks for clarifying that.

bluelad1

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Its always been the same. In fact I cannot think back to a single manager that certain Waterford public didn't crib about. Back as far as Justin McCarthy, Davy Fitz, Skully Ryan and now Derek McGrath. Its boring at this stage. At least with outside managers we had none of this 'pet' and only 'picking him because of his club' nonsense. But people will always point to the manager as excuses for us not winning an AI. It was Justins fault in 07', Davy Fitz in 08'. Skully took us backwards and now people are ready to hammer Derek Mac if we don't win it in the next year or 2.
The abuse of McGrath though has been on a different level, Ive never witnessed anything like it. Some of it personal and vile like we've seen above. you've people insinuating that he wrote a statement that praises himself. Its getting ridiculous some of the theories, I wonder if some people actually really believe the crap they are posting

I'm not insinuating anything at all...I'm saying it's a fact Derek wrote the statement. There was no need to release any statement...just shows the obsession with media that exists

The blue blaa

Anyone care to talk about the upcoming County championship games the weekend, instead of petty arguments?

Who is going to put it up to Ballygunner this season or is it simply their's to lose?

Lot of new faces on the sidelines for a lot of teams.

robopaddy2

Deiseen wrote: »

Jesus Christ lads. Davy Fitz was less divisive than this when he was with us.

Not a huge fan of McGraths tactics at times but the sheer level of anger in the criticism here is beyond belief.

The man is putting his best into the county for nothing more than the love of the Jersey, you might not agree with everything (i don't) but a minimum level of respect and manners are required.

Its always been the same. In fact I cannot think back to a single manager that certain Waterford public didn't crib about. Back as far as Justin McCarthy, Davy Fitz, Skully Ryan and now Derek McGrath. Its boring at this stage. At least with outside managers we had none of this 'pet' and only 'picking him because of his club' nonsense. But people will always point to the manager as excuses for us not winning an AI. It was Justins fault in 07', Davy Fitz in 08'. Skully took us backwards and now people are ready to hammer Derek Mac if we don't win it in the next year or 2.
The abuse of McGrath though has been on a different level, Ive never witnessed anything like it. Some of it personal and vile like we've seen above. you've people insinuating that he wrote a statement that praises himself. Its getting ridiculous some of the theories, I wonder if some people actually really believe the crap they are posting

bluelad1

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

Lol! You think Tom Devine is willing to release a statement that was written for him! That's delusional

You're even more delusional to think Derek didn't write it!! Full of his buzzwords!

fowlerDgrowler

bluelad1 wrote: »

I must say that was an excellently worded statement from Tom Devine...You'd swear it was written by someone with alot of time on their hands, always in the media and who is used to writing or correcting English.
It's a shame this person didn't seem it important to write a statement for the other player who recently left the panel or the selector who quit. Maybe he was too busy on Newstalk or indeed planning the piss up to London 6 days before the club championship begins.

Lol! You think Tom Devine is willing to release a statement that was written for him! That's delusional

tommylad1212

Any predictions for the first round this weekend? Any shocks on the cards?

Fred C Dobbs

PTH2009 wrote: »

with Iggy playing 4 out of our 6 league games this year do u think he will get the nod to start on June 18th ???

btw the match will be in Thurles even if it is Tipp, PUC wont be ready to host a match til the munster final

Hope you're right. No offence to Limerick people but the Gaelic Grounds is a dump - so too was the old Pairc Ui Chaoimh (if there's a chance on that ground being ready, the Cork co board might make it available rather than wait for Munster final, i.e. for the extra few bob).

culbaire

danganabu wrote: »

He didn't rubbish their achievements he merely pointed out that the connection between U21 success and Senior success is non-existent, its has zero relevance, he happens to be 100% correct in this regard.

Are you trying to argue that Waterford are better than Tipp, if so then the dose of reality that McGrath was talking about seems apt.

Waterford under McGrath have pretty much been exactly where they aught to be with a couple of exceptions either way, they have had one major under performance and at least one where they punched above their weight. Waterford hadn't won a Munster title in the previous regime either and infact have 9 in 130 years...

(1) Comparing it to the Vauxhall Conference amounts to rubbishing it. Period. That's the reality whether you like it or not!
(2) The previous regime did not got the same length of time as Derek McGrath.
(3) Davy Fitzgerald with an old Waterford team won a Munster title.
(4) Tipperary has fifteen players on the field of play. They are very skilful but not unbeatable. Do you think Brian Cody-who at present has a big job on hands to rebuild Kilkenny- would bend the knee to Tipperary in public? You must be joking!

mountgomery burns

danganabu wrote: »

He didn't rubbish their achievements he merely pointed out that the connection between U21 success and Senior success is non-existent, its has zero relevance, he happens to be 100% correct in this regard.

Are you trying to argue that Waterford are better than Tipp, if so then the dose of reality that McGrath was talking about seems apt.

Waterford under McGrath have pretty much been exactly where they aught to be with a couple of exceptions either way, they have had one major under performance and at least one where they punched above their weight. Waterford hadn't won a Munster title in the previous regime either and infact have 9 in 130 years.

Picking a championship team is not about picking the 15 best players, what ever that even means, taking Tipp as an example again do you really believe that Dan McCormack or even Seamus Kennedy are in the best 15 players in Tipp, its about a lot more than hurling ability, application and attitude, physical attributes etc. and of course the correct balance is needed. 15 skillful flashy players will win fcuk all.

Agreed on a lot of fronts, but It was stupidity for McGrath to compare the 21s to the Vauxhall Conference. He could have made the point without the hyperbole and should have known it would not be met well by anybody, especially his detractors.

That said, it was said and criticized and that should be the end of it. People bringing it up at every opportunity need to get a life. He's given 11 of them a chance with Waterford this year and of the 4 that didn't 2 have long term injuries. He obviously rates the players on that team.

PTH2009

with Iggy playing 4 out of our 6 league games this year do u think he will get the nod to start on June 18th ???

btw the match will be in Thurles even if it is Tipp, PUC wont be ready to host a match til the munster final