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2010 Morgan Kelly Article- Ireland is finished

MrMatisse

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/1108/1224282865400.html

Seems like its game over for Ireland

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[Deleted User]

RoverJames wrote: »

Admin work shouldn't command a salary of 32K.

FFS there are guards, nurses etc doing shiftwork and not getting much more than that, 32K for admin, sweet Jesus.

SEPT 23 1989

RIP Republic of Ireland 1949-2010:(:mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tOpwgrqshU

BraziliaNZ

RoverJames wrote: »

FFS there are guards, nurses etc doing shiftwork and not getting much more than that, 32K for admin, sweet Jesus.

There are highly specialised tax officers in Ireland that bring in a lot of money for the country, working for Revenue. The Revenue are the last department you should be picking on. I had friends working in the Baggot st/Merrion square business jungle a few years ago getting paid 40k for admin work and PA stuff. Begger's belief...

[Deleted User]

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

There are highly specialised tax officers in Ireland that bring in a lot of money for the country, working for Revenue. The Revenue are the last department you should be picking on. I had friends working in the Baggot st/Merrion square business jungle a few years ago getting paid 40k for admin work and PA stuff. Begger's belief...

I'm not on about tax officers, I am on about folk doing admin work.

BraziliaNZ

RoverJames wrote: »

I'm not on about tax officers, I am on about folk doing admin work.

What do you mean by admin work? Most work in the civil service is what you could call administration. Administration could be another word for government.

[Deleted User]

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

What do you mean by admin work?

Folks in the motor tax office, folks who in the parking fines office also no doubt there are actual folk who work in good old fashioned admin, pr1cjing about with invoices etc.

danbohan

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

the same as ever it's descended into public sector wages being too much, and that they are bankrupting the country. Yawn.

funny that , could it be because its true!

jkforde

IMHO, the problems started with benchmarking when the Public Service (as in service to the State) was renamed to the economically focused Public Sector (as in service to mé féin). Call me a hopeless idealist but we need idealist patriots in public service, not just people cynically riding the thick and rich gravy train. Now, I'm not calling all in the PS cynical but let those honest workers stand up and be counted and lets us all abandon our shared hypocrisy and start to introspect and start to be honest with ourselves and our brothers and sisters and mates and wives and husbands and sons and daughters...

Kimia

Can someone please explain what this will mean to the normal tax paying people in their 20's and 30's. A lot of this is going over my head (:o) but I would really like to know, what exact effect this will have on me personally and my friends/family.

Diapason

Kimia wrote: »

Can someone please explain what this will mean to the normal tax paying people in their 20's and 30's. A lot of this is going over my head (:o) but I would really like to know, what exact effect this will have on me personally and my friends/family.

You'll be soundly buggered without lube or pre-rimming, metaphorically speaking, and all those things that you used to expect for your taxes (education, health services, etc.) will be even more grossly underfunded than ever.

Kimia

Tbh that's still very vague and unspecific. What effect will it have on my wages for example. I already know I won't be buying a house anytime soon which is grand. I don't plan on having any kids for ages if ever. I'm already educated and working away grand. What kind of an effect will Ireland going bankrupt have on me?

I know I sound so self-obsessed but it's the only way I can get a real handle on the situation!

[Deleted User]

Kimia wrote: »

Can someone please explain what this will mean to the normal tax paying people in their 20's and 30's. A lot of this is going over my head (:o) but I would really like to know, what exact effect this will have on me personally and my friends/family.

Put simply; higher taxes and fewer services for those taxes!

For people on lower incomes the ends that they struggle to make meet will be pulled further apart.

kippy

Kimia wrote: »

Tbh that's still very vague and unspecific. What effect will it have on my wages for example. I already know I won't be buying a house anytime soon which is grand. I don't plan on having any kids for ages if ever. I'm already educated and working away grand. What kind of an effect will Ireland going bankrupt have on me?

I know I sound so self-obsessed but it's the only way I can get a real handle on the situation!

Of course it is vague and unspecific as most of the effects will be pretty vague and unspecific.
The only measurables are in terms of income. The bottom line is the taxation applied to your income will increase, whether this be via direct via income and prsi/levies or via water,property VAT etc.
The less tanglible side to it is what will happen in the public service. If the public service are cut in numbers and wages, one would hope people would do what they could to become more efficient, reducing wastage and focusing on the services that the public require. However he dont know whether that will happen (I hope it does)
This less tanglible side will effect you in some way shape or form but its damn near impossible to predict.
The other potential side of it is the company you currently work for. Depending on what the EU do, they may decide to relocate, as would a number of other companies.
If you company is involved in selling goods and services there may be less demand on them as a result and so on......

Its pretty difficult to tell how this will effect the guy on the street to be honest.

Amhran Nua

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

What do you mean by admin work? Most work in the civil service is what you could call administration. Administration could be another word for government.

I believe its in reference to the increasingly talked-about middle management rump.

Amhran Nua

Diapason wrote: »

Instead we had 10 x joint salary, after you'd fiddled your P60, and now the country's gone to sh*t. It's not surprising really.

I never got this, how do you fiddle your bank statement? Thats the only thing any mortgage lender needs to check to see your month on month income.

Diapason

Amhran Nua wrote: »

I never got this, how do you fiddle your bank statement? Thats the only thing any mortgage lender needs to check to see your month on month income.

Tipp-ex?

scientific1982

Doom and gloom.

[Deleted User]

scientific1982 wrote: »

Doom and gloom.

Not really, just see this as the end of an old way of life and the beginning of a new one!

Just that the new life will involve less money.

Ali Babba

...and lots more taxes.

Fred_Johnson

I wanted to revive this discussion just to remember where we were as a country just a few short years ago. In the space of 5 years we've gone from people thinking the country is finished, to being at the top of the EU economic league table, with 4.3% growth predicted in 2017 and unemployment heading towards 5%. While there has been much pain, and there is still pain in certain areas, we need to reflect on what a remarkable recovery it's been.

GLaDOS

Not gonna lie, I didn't realise this was a 7 year old thread and was getting pretty worried there

Arghus

Fred_Johnson wrote: »

I wanted to revive this discussion just to remember where we were as a country just a few short years ago. In the space of 5 years we've gone from people thinking the country is finished, to being at the top of the EU economic league table, with 4.3% growth predicted in 2017 and unemployment heading towards 5%. While there has been much pain, and there is still pain in certain areas, we need to reflect on what a remarkable recovery it's been.

Yeah, we only had to cut thousands of young people loose!

Wheeliebin30

Arghus wrote: »

Yeah, we only had to cut thousands of young people loose!

6 out of 7 people who emigrated had a job at the time.

wandatowell

GLaDOS wrote: »

Not gonna lie, I didn't realise this was a 7 year old thread and was getting pretty worried there

Ditto

catbear

Arghus wrote: »

Fred_Johnson wrote: »

I wanted to revive this discussion just to remember where we were as a country just a few short years ago. In the space of 5 years we've gone from people thinking the country is finished, to being at the top of the EU economic league table, with 4.3% growth predicted in 2017 and unemployment heading towards 5%. While there has been much pain, and there is still pain in certain areas, we need to reflect on what a remarkable recovery it's been.

Yeah, we only had to cut thousands of young people loose!

Left for oz in 2011, returned 2015, was working within a month. Plenty more returning, especially as Australia cools off.

Thankfully not Dublin based as rents there would have put off a return if that were the only place to get work.

Am abroad again by choice for a short stint but ultimately can see a long term return.

Sheeps

Necro this thread again when the current bubble in Dublin pops.

DrumSteve

Fred_Johnson wrote: »

I wanted to revive this discussion just to remember where we were as a country just a few short years ago. In the space of 5 years we've gone from people thinking the country is finished, to being at the top of the EU economic league table, with 4.3% growth predicted in 2017 and unemployment heading towards 5%. While there has been much pain, and there is still pain in certain areas, we need to reflect on what a remarkable recovery it's been.

I guess you could say, there's been a lot done and more to do.

SPDUB

One question ,who the hell is Morgan Kelly

catbear

SPDUB wrote: »

One question ,who the hell is Morgan Kelly

I felt the same when I returned from oz and asked who's Nathan Carter?

A Little Pony

Fred_Johnson wrote: »

I wanted to revive this discussion just to remember where we were as a country just a few short years ago. In the space of 5 years we've gone from people thinking the country is finished, to being at the top of the EU economic league table, with 4.3% growth predicted in 2017 and unemployment heading towards 5%. While there has been much pain, and there is still pain in certain areas, we need to reflect on what a remarkable recovery it's been.

This is down to Enda Kenny and his fantastic government and his leadership.