AngryLips wrote: » Actually the 46A route achieves similar levels of patronage as the Luas green line and bus stop catchment along the N11 corridor has been found to match that of light rail stops (1km vs 500m)
Claude Wilton wrote: » Proof then that the QBC concept was a load of phooey. Buses can't generate a critical mass of trips away from private cars, no matter how they are tarted up by marketeers.
spacetweek wrote: » What median? That one-metre concrete barrier? The N4 has bus lanes both ways as far as Islandbridge. Turn it into a rapid bus corridor. No need for Luas. Run the Luas somewhere else. I'd start it at Liffey Valley and follow Patrick St/Cuffe St to terminate at Stephen's Green South as another poster suggested. In any case I really don't think this project should be a priority.
Dargan Bridge wrote: » In that case the Lucan Luas needs to be a proper Metro. Because there's a hell of a lot of people in Lucan who need a better public transport option than what is on offer.
marno21 wrote: » IMO we shouldn't be running Luas lines outside the M50. At that distance their speed makes them less effective. A greater level of segregation is required over that kind of distance to provide decent journey times.
MJohnston wrote: » I'd agree the N4 median would be a better physical route, but it has the problem of being rather inaccessible to pedestrians, so it might be difficult to add stations on it.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Lucan Village or Ballyfermot?
veryangryman wrote: » Did a walk yesterday to Lucan via Ballyfermot... i dont know if theres room for the tracks through the village - can anyone get crayons out and point out how it would go through said place
SPDUB wrote: » As someone who lives in those areas I believe what you mean is that keeping all the roads open for cars as well isn't possible
van_beano wrote: » Why would it be pointless going beyond Liffey Valley? There's a massive population in South Lucan and there's further development in the pipeline in Kishogue / Clonburris. The population will be comparable to the Red Line beyond The Square with all that's in Citywest etc. or Green Line before Carrickmines.
lxflyer wrote: » None of those areas are suitable for on-street rail infrastructure - the road space simply isn't there.
hmmm wrote: » Lucan needs better connections certainly, but once the line goes beyond Liffey Valley it's all a bit pointless. I suggest better to run a LUAS around Lucan and some neighbouring areas, connecting to Kishogue, Fonthill & Adamstown railway stations.
wakka12 wrote: » Does that always mean the majority wanted it? The government might choose a tram route/stop because of economic reasons, efficiency reasons or many other reasons other than simply the majority of the public wanting a stop to be built there
wakka12 wrote: » Why have Line F running parallel with the existing red line for so many stops when there are so many areas just directly south such as Terenure, Harolds cross, Drimnagh, Kimmage with no tram infrastructure anywhere near them
average_runner wrote: » Irish rail built a train station there. It gets attack most days, train windows smashed etc.
MJohnston wrote: » Ah, so a railway stop built with minimal facilities nearly 30 years ago is your datapoint for why Broombridge and similar areas deserve no investment? No, look, that's not investment at all, investment is a process involving more than just a cursory railway platform and a couple of shelters. It's about redeveloping the surrounding, mostly abandoned industrial area by stimulating commercial and residential construction, in a manner similar to how formerly dismal areas like the Docklands or Sandyford were completely rejuvenated. We need to create a SDZ in this area and truly invest in it. We've seen the start of this just a km up the tracks in Royal Canal Park and Ashtown. You can keep your stories of constant vandalism, I've lived in and around this area for several years now, used the commuter rail services all the time, and things have changed greatly in the last ten years. I've also used the Red Line constantly and your stories there are just complete exaggerations.And the Green Line extension to Broombridge is built, that's the proof that a majority wanted it.
average_runner wrote: » Irish rail built a train station there. It gets attack most days, train windows smashed etc. How do you know it's a minority opinion? Did you ask everyone? Maybe ask people their opinion about the red line especially the ones that were assaulted on it or experience the drugs and alcohol issues on it.
MJohnston wrote: » What investment was tried in Broombridge exactly? This is just silly, and you shouldn't say "we" when you hold a minority opinion.
average_runner wrote: » Yeah we tried that investment in boomsbridge, ask irish rail about the trouble since. We don't want another red line.
fionnsci wrote: » Heaven forbid we encourage investment in "rough areas" and connect them to major employment hubs.
average_runner wrote: » Some rough areas on that route, I stick to the bus, thank you
