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Increase in people identifying as having No Religion

Delirium

RTE are tweeting some results from 2016 census and figured these two tweets would be of interest to this forum

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/849926358323122176
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/849926537176633344

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darjeeling

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I think the tide is turning a bit.

In the 2011 census just under 6% of people over all declared no religion.

Within age groups, the no-religion figures were 9% of adults between 25 and 40 and 5% of under-fives. That makes it look very likely that non-religious parents of young children were putting their children down as having no religion.

The new preliminary results show almost 10% of people declaring no religion, so the figures this time for parenting-age adults could be closer to 15%, and for under-fives closer to 10%. We'll find out later this year.

Edit:

The census report has this graph:

[not clear if the N/R line shows N/R % of each age group, or % of all N/R split by age group]

RTE highlights this in a blog post, saying the shift is increasingly at odds with a primary school system overwhelmingly run by the Catholic church.

The blog also notes that almost 1/3 people in Dublin city, Galway city identify as having no religion.

https://www.rte.ie/news/special-reports/2017/0406/865826-census-religion-blog/

fisgon

Orion wrote: »

You didn't have to wait long

Is he assuming that all of those people who say they have a particular religion believe in god? Of course he is ignoring the fact that they don't believe in "God" as he says, but in different gods.

Also, where is the question on the census about being "spiritual"?

Press_Start

I think it's read into quite a bit here. Ireland has moved on but is certainly not a Secular state. As for comment about "copping on" I think it's a little harsh to assume that Religious people are ignorant. I'm not religious myselff but I believe in the spirit that most religions try to pursue, i.e friendship, honesty all that.
Identifying as a religious person is not a negative trait. Likewise not being religious is not inherently positive. I think it's interesting and welcome people rethinking their beliefs and that, it shows forward thinking and lateral thinking and possible healthy discussions also.

Cabaal

Orion wrote: »

You didn't have to wait long

Of course he ignores that according to the Catholic bishops own commissioned survey, 8% of self described "Catholics" don't actually believe in god.

You couldn't make it up.

Also, somebody being "spiritual" or "believing in a god" doesn't mean Lolek Ltd or the catholic church are supported.

magicbastarder

dixiefly wrote: »

There should be a sub question to the religious won basically asking how many ceremonies (outside funerals) of the chosen religion the person has attended in, say, the previous month. This would better answer the questions posed here.

no; the census is about identification, not about qualification.

sure you'd be using the same measure many religious people use to judge how pious someone is, which is not the same as faith.

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Orion

Penn wrote: »

Either way, can't wait to see how Iona et al try to spin this into a positive.

You didn't have to wait long

freshpopcorn

I was actually expecting those ticking no religion to be a lot higher to be honest. That's what I get for spending to much time on Boards!

dixiefly

There should be a sub question to the religious won basically asking how many ceremonies (outside funerals) of the chosen religion the person has attended in, say, the previous month. This would better answer the questions posed here.

Delirium

fisgon wrote: »

The Just tick No campaign obviously had an effect, despite some people who were questioning its worth.

Figures are important, and a drop of 6% in the number of Catholics is significant, in only 5 years. It is a clear signal that things are changing, and will give impetus to the campaign for more secular education.

(So of that 78% who say they are Catholic, what proportion is actually believing and practicing, I wonder - maybe 50% of that?)

There's a clear disparity between those that identify as Roman Catholic and those that are practicing seeing as the numbers attending Mass don't line up with the census count for Roman Catholics.

fisgon

The Just tick No campaign obviously had an effect, despite some people who were questioning its worth.

Figures are important, and a drop of 6% in the number of Catholics is significant, in only 5 years. It is a clear signal that things are changing, and will give impetus to the campaign for more secular education.

(So of that 78% who say they are Catholic, what proportion is actually believing and practicing, I wonder - maybe 50% of that?)

toadfly

I ticked the no religion box for the first time last year. Delighted with these figures and the sooner others cop on the better.

magicbastarder

Penn wrote: »

Reading too much into it, tbh.

ah yeah, i wasn't trying to suggest motive.

anyway, i'd be interested to see the breakdown by age of the figures. i'd expect a U shaped graph against age, for catholicism - because kids will have their forms filled in by their parents.

eviltwin

Big increase, wasn't expecting it to be that high and its only going to get higher as time goes on. I'm sure the fall in Catholics will be glossed over by Quinn and co, they will use the 78% as another reason to hold onto their control of schools and hospitals but with nearly a quarter of people in the State following a different belief system you have to wonder how long that control can last.

Penn

magicbastarder wrote: »

i know it's a trivial thing, but i'm struck by the 'identifying as having no religion' and 'number of catholics' wording (i.e. it's not phrased as 'number identifying as catholics').

Reading too much into it, tbh. 'Identifying as having no religion' is basically just a "None of the above". The actual census even has it worded the opposite way in one paragraph:

While Ireland remains a predominantly Catholic country,
as clearly illustrated in Figure 8.1, the percentage of the
population who identified as Catholic on the census has
fallen sharply from 84.2 per cent in 2011 to 78.3 per cent
in 2016.
There has been a corresponding rise in the number with
no religion which grew by 73.6 per cent from 269,800 to
468,400, an increase of 198,600.

https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/census-2016-summary-results-part-1-full.pdf

Either way, can't wait to see how Iona et al try to spin this into a positive.

Wheety

magicbastarder wrote: »

i know it's a trivial thing, but i'm struck by the 'identifying as having no religion' and 'number of catholics' wording (i.e. it's not phrased as 'number identifying as catholics').

True. It's almost like they're saying these people may be Catholic but they ticked the box to say no religion. Probably just a protest tick.

However the Catholics are sure they're ticking the correct box.

Not like a lot of people are filling in the form and still just ticking Catholic because they feel they should, and completing it on behalf of their kids too.

magicbastarder

i know it's a trivial thing, but i'm struck by the 'identifying as having no religion' and 'number of catholics' wording (i.e. it's not phrased as 'number identifying as catholics').