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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

sparrowcar

Contact lost just before 0100 off the west coast of Achill island on a rescue mission.
Search in progress including all available ships and Rescue 115.

Hopefully a positive outcome to this.

Please keep replies civil, and respectful of the crew and their families.

Please do not speculate as to any cause unless you have a factual basis to do so (and can back it up with information released to the public).

There will be zero tolerance for troublemakers or those that choose to ignore these guidelines.

There are other moderator messages in the thread, as a result of issues that have arisen, and we will be less forgiving going forward, due to the ongoing sensitivity of this incident

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elastico

kippy wrote: »

And resources.
A lot of the current coastline in the search area is very difficult to access - you won't find regular folks accessing it. Specialist resources are required but I take you points on the remainder of you post.

The shoreline is only a tiny part of the possible search area. The entire north atlantic will be the potential search zone shortly.

kippy

elastico wrote: »

The shoreline is only a tiny part of the possible search area. The entire north atlantic will be the potential search zone shortly.

The shoreline is the only part of the search area that is feasible to search...and that cannot be done without resources.

Reati

Tenger wrote: »

This post sums up the problem of this thread and others elsewhere. Discussion and speculation is happening based upon incomplete data and several "what if....?" and "I heard this...."

I struggle with why this is a problem, afterall this is meant to be a discussion board.

It's not an official channel for the investigation.
It's not an official channel for the families to get information.
It's not an official information channel for the media

It's a public discussion board. People should be free to discuss "what if's" and other theories around the crash without the fear of either getting a ban or a telling off.

Nothing discussed here will impact why the crash happened or the report that will come out in due time.

[Deleted User]

Reati wrote: »

I struggle with why this is a problem, afterall this is meant to be a discussion board.
It's not an official channel for the investigation.

It's not an official channel for the families to get information.

It's not an official information channel for the media

It's a public discussion board. People should be free to discuss "what if's" and other theories around the crash without the fear of either getting a ban or a telling off.

Nothing discussed here will impact why the crash happened or the report that will come out in due time.

I fixed your post for you, it's not a "public" discussion board it's a discussion board owned and operated by Boards.ie Limited who set the rules, the rules by which you agreed to when you signed up and indeed the local rules of A&A in the Forum charter. Whether you like it or not when you are in someone else's house you play by their rules not your own.

Boards.ie is a discussion forum, and Ireland's largest online community.

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No freedom of speech.

This is a private website. There is no "right" to freedom of speech here. We, the Admins and moderators DO want to promote discussion but FREE un-moderated discussion online turns into a screaming match between children. We believe that rules of etiquette should be applied (see below). Shouting about how we have infringed your "freedom of speech" on a privately owned website is silly. You can use blogger.com to say what YOU like, what you aren’t entitled to is access to the community we have built here without abiding by the community's rules, as decided and enforced by us.

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Turtwig

There are also potential legal implications. Just like a newspaper could be used as a source or claim so too can this website. Even though material posted here is usually the opinion of an anonymous user the issue arises when the site publishes that opinion i.e the post is visible to the viewing public. the site is left bearing responsibility for the material posted.

Water John

Big grid search from 35 miles out to be conducted, on Friday I think. From RTE News.

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Rte news at 6 reporting that a grid search is to be conducted up the coast and if they get big enough fishing vessels to extend that to 35 miles out.

TomOnBoard

fiachr_a wrote: »

They thought he was missing a hand when it was only a finger. Someone is responsible for the confusion.

What's the evidence for that statement?

elastico

TomOnBoard wrote: »

What's the evidence for that statement?

His point is totally irrelevant. As was the line about how the Aer Corps hadn't enough staff, as if to imply it all could have been different.

We could make up endless what if scenarios...

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle and all that.

TomOnBoard

elastico wrote: »

We could make up endless what if scenarios...

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle and all that.

Actually, if your Auntie had balls, she'd most likely be your transgender Auntie, not your uncle.

allthedoyles

Was there any dashcam footage or cctv in the fuselage area recording to black box in R116 ?

ED E

allthedoyles wrote: »

Was there any dashcam footage or cctv in the fuselage area recording to black box in R116 ?

[Not an expert]

Never heard of an FDR/CVR that records video. Normally when an incident is caught on video its 3rd party (CCTV for Hudson River Landing, Dashcam for the Bagram Airbase crash etc).

Gaoth Laidir

allthedoyles wrote: »

Was there any dashcam footage or cctv in the fuselage area recording to black box in R116 ?

That's a good point. There may be onboard video footage that would help in the investigation.

Cianmcliam

ED E wrote: »

[Not an expert]

Never heard of an FDR/CVR that records video. Normally when an incident is caught on video its 3rd party (CCTV for Hudson River Landing, Dashcam for the Bagram Airbase crash etc).

Yes, even for audio the high quality track is fairly limited in duration due to storage requirements, they use solid state memory. Video of reasonable quality would use too much of the limited storage.

fiachr_a

elastico wrote: »

His point is totally irrelevant.

Personnel involved in the medical evacuation said that miscommunication concerning the nature of the man’s injuries was responsible for the Coast Guard helicopters being dispatched last Monday. http://www.thejournal.ie/coastguard-injury-miscommunication-dara-fitzpatrick-3296348-Mar2017/

TomOnBoard

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

That's a good point. There may be onboard video footage that would help in the investigation.

While I agree that any/all potential evidence could be of use to the investigation, enabling a more complete picture of the accident to be painted, I see the successful download of voice and data from the black box as providing most of the relevant information already.

TomOnBoard

fiachr_a wrote: »

Personnel involved in the medical evacuation said that miscommunication concerning the nature of the man’s injuries was responsible for the Coast Guard helicopters being dispatched last Monday. http://www.thejournal.ie/coastguard-injury-miscommunication-dara-fitzpatrick-3296348-Mar2017/

You're using a no- named source in an Internet - based red-top as evidence? Noooo thank you.

No official source, and no mention of the medical assessment fearing septicaemia.

[Deleted User]

TomOnBoard wrote: »

You're using a no- named source in an Internet - based red-top as evidence? Noooo thank you.

No official source, and no mention of the medical assessment fearing septicaemia.

Boards and The Journal are viewed by most as one and the same.

Gadgetman496

As pointed out way back in this thread, Boards IE & The Journal IE or both owned by the same group Distilled Media.

ted1

kippy wrote: »

And resources.
A lot of the current coastline in the search area is very difficult to access - you won't find regular folks accessing it. Specialist resources are required but I take you points on the remainder of you post.

Drones are great , and have probably broking out of the specialist resource category

TomOnBoard

Tow wrote: »

Boards and The Journal are viewed by most as one and the same.

In other words, completely unreliable, entirely speculative and having no real value other than as a chat room..

TomOnBoard

Storm 10 wrote: »

Granuaile looks to be departing Blacksod and showing Galway as its destination ETA 2am tomorrow morning

And Ocean challenger seems to be heading for Killybegs.

Tenger

Tow wrote: »

Boards and The Journal are viewed by most as one and the same.

Personally I dont. Being owned by the same corporate entity doesnt automatically mean either website is directly connected.
To use aviation examples; Lufthansa Group and IAG each own several airlines which operate as seperate companys operationally. The corporate entity is involved at the strategic and logistic sourcing level.

Personally I would put the journal.ie reporting on par with the Indo.

Going back to the issue of the March 14 callout and the injury; the distress/medical report apparently was made to a hospital in Cork, details then passed on to SAR about retrieval required. The exact extent of the hand injury was not important at that time.
A ocean going boat is not a good place to have an open wound. Infection, shock trauma, further blood loss and risk of septiceamia are possibilities in such a less than pleasant environment.
Doesnt matter what your source is, from a treatment poont of view this would be the rationale for the callout.

...And Justice

Tenger wrote: »

Personally I dont. Being owned by the same corporate entity doesnt automatically mean either website is directly connected.
To use aviation examples; Lufthansa Group and IAG each own several airlines which operate as seperate companys operationally. The corporate entity is involved at the strategic and logistic sourcing level.

Personally I would put the journal.ie reporting on par with the Indo.

The journal is like the daily fail.

Turtwig

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

As pointed out way back in this thread, Boards IE & The Journal IE or both owned by the same group Distilled Media.

Tow wrote: »

Boards and The Journal are viewed by most as one and the same.

Fox News and National Geographic are owned by the same person. The Irish Daily Mail was screaming out for a cervical vaccine, the English coutnerpart was publishing information tried to claim to such a vaccine was fatal. And I cannot for the life of me think of the Conglomerate that produces conventional pharmaceuticals under one wing and homeopathy remedies under the other.

Anyways, point being is mutual ownership isn't necessarily indicative of endorsement of a series of opinions or ethics. Boards, Adverts, the Journal are all very different beasts.

fiachr_a

I don't care who owns our media, recent rescue deaths here could have been avoided. No-one should be risking their lives to find a dead body in bad weather or to help a man only missing a finger. As for idiots stuck up mountains, charge the f--k out of their families to get them rescued.

elastico

fiachr_a wrote: »

I don't care who owns our media, recent rescue deaths here could have been avoided. No-one should be risking their lives to find a dead body in bad weather or to help a man only missing a finger. As for idiots stuck up mountains, charge the f--k out of their families to get them rescued.

Go down to blacksod and say it to their colleagues and families faces. Then come back and tell us how you got on. If you make it back.

Reati

[Deleted User] wrote: »

long post

You missed the point and we'll go off topic but feel free to PM if you want to continue.

Reati

fiachr_a wrote: »

I don't care who owns our media, recent rescue deaths here could have been avoided. No-one should be risking their lives to find a dead body in bad weather or to help a man only missing a finger..

Everything is easy to be 100% sure of in hindsight.

kerry cow

Bodies sink when they drownd and float 10 days later .so they surfaced somewhere after 10 days and are floating now in current .I think the resucue efforts took their eye off the ball and spent all their hopes and efforts on the crash site instead of surface searches after the 10 day period .
Why do crew not have gps trackers fitted like gaa sports stars have tracking their pitch movement .
Wear it around your next at all times .It's not the dark ages now .!!