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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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km79

RD10 wrote: »

i could see diarmuid kicking his legs like mad, trying to get free from under that ruck. their was bloody 28 players piled up on top of him. Reilly should have sorted it quicker.

As soon as it happened I said AOS would get booked no matter what
And sure enough ......

PressRun

RD10 wrote: »

i could see diarmuid kicking his legs like mad, trying to get free from under that ruck. their was bloody 28 players piled up on top of him. Reilly should have sorted it quicker.

At one point I saw him just standing there, looking on as a melee unfolded. Doing absolutely nothing.

RD10

km79 wrote: »

As soon as it happened I said AOS would get booked no matter what
And sure enough ......

I wouldnt be aidans biggest fan all of the time but he had a great game when he came on. Massive catch over murphys head near the end, and at a crucial stage in the match.
He needs to have a big year this year.
what did aido get the card for? couldnt see right

km79

RD10 wrote: »

I wouldnt be aidans biggest fan all of the time but he had a great game when he came on. Massive catch over murphys head near the end, and at a crucial stage in the match.
He needs to have a big year this year.
what did aido get the card for? couldnt see right

For being the only mayo player involved in the shamozle apparently !
The 4 donegal lads must only have been hitting him so
Some man

km79

PressRun wrote: »

At one point I saw him just standing there, looking on as a melee unfolded. Doing absolutely nothing.

He was like a little lamb lost by the end of the game
Players were dictating things
And mainly mayo players by the end to be honest !

That's the sign of an awful poor ref
He must have thrown the ball up 5/6 times in the second half alone
MAKE A DECISION!

naughto

O'Shea impact sub all day long
Let him run the boll1ox of him self for the last 20 mins

seligehgit

km79 wrote: »

One thing worrying again today is our use of cillian
Where exactly is he being asked to play ?

I can't for the life of me work out what his role is supposed to be,playmaker?He did deliver one beautiful ball into Andy Moran's lap for a score in the first half,but he seems to move all over the place,no defined role as a centre forward.His lack of form of the free kicks is very worrying.

There seems to be if not a consensus quite a few posters who believe Aidan O Shea is best suited to a role as an impact substitute.I can see where this viewpoint comes,his lack of mobility and his inability to always maximise his impact in the big games.However TBH I do not believe we have any where near six better footballers in the county available to us in the forwards,certainly none that have shone thus far.He is one of our very best players.He is a definite starter IMO and can be substituted as and when he runs out of steam.

km79

seligehgit wrote: »

I can't for the life of me work out what his role is supposed to be,playmaker?He did deliver one beautiful ball into Andy Moran's lap for a score in the first half,but he seems to move all over the place,no defined role as a centre forward.His lack of form of the free kicks is very worrying.

There seems to be if not a consensus quite a few posters who believe Aidan O Shea is best suited to a role as an impact substitute.I can see where this viewpoint comes,his lack of mobility and his inability to always maximise his impact in the big games.However TBH I do not believe we have any where near six better footballers in the county available to us in the forwards,certainly none that have shone thus far.He is one of our very best players.He is a definite starter IMO and can be substituted as and when he runs out of steam.

I completely and utterly disagree with any suggestion of not starting Aidan as well and won't enter into any more debate on it
We are not dublin

PressRun

Aidan is not a 75 minute player, imo, and if we're really going to maximise his impact, he's better coming off the bench when legs are heavy than being substituted for a player who is unlikely to make the same impact.

RD10

i think aidan was fantastic today coming off the bench. i'd like if we could utilise him like this during the summer, im not totally opposed to it but at the same time i think he'd be badly missed if he didnt start a lot of the matches, particularly against the likes of dublin.
we dont have the same strength in depth that dublin have.
it could work but the other forwards would really need to step it up 200% aswell.
he didnt have his best year last year but i think he'd still be sorely missed if left out this year because of all the 'minding' thats needs to be done by other teams on him!
six of one and half a dozen of the other!
By the way he looked a lot more confident in himself today around the middle of the field, didnt have 3 defenders dragging and hanging out of him in a full forward line!

PARlance

Talk of an impact sub is madness imo. You don't leave one of your best players on the bench for three quarters of the match. That and the fact that the modern game has taken a lot of the impact out of impact subs... the likes of Dublin will be motoring into the 75th minute as much as the 1st, black cards, blood subs and the increased pace of the game doesn't really leave an impact time.

Tryone and Donegal could have been easily out of sight by the time an impact sub was played.
Start him, let him make an impact from the start.

I suppose the Anti Aido Show needs something to grab onto now that it's clearly been proven he is needed.

mayo.mick

If any of ye know any the kids playing at half time today, I've some video of them uploaded now.

https://michaelmaye.com/project/mayo-v-donegal-2nd-april-2017/

km79

Andy Moran is the man who could/should be left as the impact sub

Stoner

PressRun wrote:

Aidan is not a 75 minute player, imo, and if we're really going to maximise his impact, he's better coming off the bench when legs are heavy than being substituted for a player who is unlikely to make the same impact.

I agree for what's it's worth, not that I underestimate him or his ability, he is clearly a very talented player but equally he has been shown to fade in or around the 50/60 minute mark.
There is something to be said about finishing with your strongest team. It would be good to have it that Mayo had him on the field for all he has but including the end of games not just for 20 minutes or starting and getting subbed with 15 to go.

Audioslaven

What was really impressive today from AOS was the attitude. He was really up for it. He is not an impact sub imo as he is just starting to hit is prime years. I think he doesn't look very fit at the moment and that is why Rochford didn't start him.

If he plays like this today for the summer, he will make a serious impact.

RD10

can someone answer ne this? do kerry go through to the semi's based on their superior scoring difference?
im just wondering here, say cavan had won today and mayo lost. they both would have ended up on 6 points, and as far as i was aware, mayo would have been relegated by virtue of the fact that cavan beat them in their head to head a few weekends ago.
four teams ended up on 8 points today. but kerry with the greatest scoring difference.
kerry +13
donegal +10
monaghan +3
mayo -3

my point,
if its a case of head to head, why is it kerry going through when mayo have beaten the 3 teams above them also on 8 points?!

Edit: they beat 2 of the 3 teams ahead of them

km79

RD10 wrote: »

can someone answer ne this? do kerry go through to the semi's based on their superior scoring difference?
im just wondering here, say cavan had won today and mayo lost. they both would have ended up on 6 points, and as far as i was aware, mayo would have been relegated by virtue of the fact that cavan beat them in their head to head a few weekends ago.
four teams ended up on 8 points today. but kerry with the greatest scoring difference.
kerry +13
donegal +10
monaghan +3
mayo -3

my point,
if its a case of head to head, why is it kerry going through when mayo have beaten the 3 teams above them also on 8 points?!

Head to head when 2 teams only
Scoring difference when 3 or more

statto25

Attendances updated already. They must have bought rockets for the pidgeons

Blackjack

Panrich wrote: »

Sounds like Donegal are giving us all we can cope with. Donegal one ahead playing against a strong wind and the early soft penalty keeping us in it.

That wasn't a soft penalty, Donegal keeper should have walked on a black card for the third man tackle. Mind you I thought Andy Moran was going to gather a black but Reilly issued him a yellow.

RD10

km79 wrote: »

Head to head when 2 teams only
Scoring difference when 3 or more

thanks for that. taught that might be the case.
btw coverage of hilights on rte was muck tonight. and to think i was looking forward to watching it..

Panrich

Blackjack wrote: »

That wasn't a soft penalty, Donegal keeper should have walked on a black card for the third man tackle. Mind you I thought Andy Moran was going to gather a black but Reilly issued him a yellow.

It was soft in the sense that it was a totally unnecessary challenge.

Blackjack

Panrich wrote: »

It was soft in the sense that it was a totally unnecessary challenge.

In that case the Red card Doherty saw was soft as he unnecessarily kicked Aidan in the balls.

I get what you are trying to say, but that was a penalty and their keeper should have seen a black card.

tacofries

naughto wrote: »

O'Shea impact sub all day long
Let him run the boll1ox of him self for the last 20 mins

I was saying this last year and people thought I was mad!!!

As crazy as it sounds I'd love to see Durcan half or full-forward for a game. Besides O'Shea and Keegan he is the only player that knows how to put the head down and run straight for goal at full speed at every opportunity.

RD10

goalkeeper elbowed cillian into the back in the box.. a penalty.
Doherty kicked aiden in the nether regions, thats a red card. no two ways about it

PressRun

PARlance wrote: »

I suppose the Anti Aido Show needs something to grab onto now that it's clearly been proven he is needed.

So suggesting that he's not a 75 minute player means you're part of the "anti aido show"? Get a grip.

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

I agree for what's it's worth, not that I underestimate him or his ability, he is clearly a very talented player but equally he has been shown to fade in or around the 50/60 minute mark.
There is something to be said about finishing with your strongest team. It would be good to have it that Mayo had him on the field for all he has but including the end of games not just for 20 minutes or starting and getting subbed with 15 to go.

I would agree that a strong finishing team is needed to win an AI but I wouldn't go as far a strongest. I think this league campaign has set us up with a stronger squad to allow us to compete better with the likes of yourselves.

I can also see why people think O'Shea may have only 50/60 in him but I think he's the type of playing that looks more tired than his is. A bit like Damien Duff used to look shagged. I think he needs to be on the pitch for as long as possible, my hope would be that he's better managed this year with a combination of being rotated in and out of the FF line during a game, tbh I'd prefer if he stayed in there most of the game.

We would be missing out on way too much with him only playing 20 odd minutes as an impact sub.

PARlance

PressRun wrote: »

So suggesting that he's not a 75 minute player means you're part of the "anti aido show"? Get a grip.

Hold on there and get a grip yourself. There's clearly a crowd that have it out for him. I'm not saying that everyone that questions his stamina is included in that group but I'm fairly sure most of that group will be suggesting he doesn't start. They've been fairly quiet of late though.

Oldtree

statto25 wrote: »

Attendances updated already. They must have bought rockets for the pidgeons

It is extraordinary, but I heard that they have started using homing pigeons that actually live in Dublin

Oldtree

Aos takes a long time in the year to get championship fit, and I mean 70 minutes fit plus extra time. The initial sprint he put in as soon as he came on chasing after the ball tells me that compared to previous years he is further along (much more fluid) than he usually is at this point. He looked to.me to be stronger too.

It was one of those pivotal games, very good work ethic. some lovely points, great passing working the ball forward and through the block, reduction in passing errors and not so many wides. Should have made more of the wind in the first half though.

Loved the idea of the spare man held back all the time to prevent a run out from a successful block defence, really takes the wind out of it.

Another heart stopping day out, roll on the championship

Stoner

PARlance wrote:

I can also see why people think O'Shea may have only 50/60 in him but I think he's the type of playing that looks more tired than his is. A bit like Damien Duff used to look shagged. I think he needs to be on the pitch for as long as possible, my hope would be that he's better managed this year with a combination of being rotated in and out of the FF line during a game, tbh I'd prefer if he stayed in there most of the game.

Lol that's true some lads look shattered when they have juice left.

All that said the management have sports science behind them now. AOS is loaded up with a tracker, they know how he's going and what he has left, they've years of data on him now. I assume this is used inform substitute decisions.
In that light he should have a game plan worked out that suits him. But what is it Tyson said, everyone's got a plan until you get punched in the mouth.