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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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Contact lost just before 0100 off the west coast of Achill island on a rescue mission.
Search in progress including all available ships and Rescue 115.

Hopefully a positive outcome to this.

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ectoraige

Means Of Escape wrote: »

"Armchair speculation " has been correct in many respects since the beginning .

Being correct isn't always the same as being right. My heart goes out to the families tonight, looking into another week of uncertainty.

TomOnBoard

Discodog wrote: »

That's virtually a hover or flare to land. I wonder if it's accurate ?

I've just seen that screenshot :eek: for the first time.

Just wondering, why are you asking if it's accurate?

However, in all the stuff I've read since 14th March, I'm asking myself how I haven't seen this previously? Could it be that its authenticity is in question?

elastico

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I've just seen that screenshot :eek: for the first time.

Just wondering, why are you asking if it's accurate?

However, in all the stuff I've read since 14th March, I'm asking myself how I haven't seen this previously? Could it be that its authenticity is in question?

When I posted it earlier this morning it was swiftly censored and deleted without explanation. It doesn't sit well with the party line around here.

Nobody on pprune has questioned its authenticity.

Its pretty compelling evidence.

kerry cow

Does it really matter how it happened at this stage . It's over , two crew lost to sea .Two crew recovered for their families .its all a terrible happening .many trawler families have suffered the same faith in their line of duty .its over 21 days at this stage, time to park it ,stand down and move on .It's all a big media hype at this stage .let the families greeve and heal .

TomOnBoard

elastico wrote: »

When I posted it earlier this morning it was swiftly censored and deleted without explanation. It doesn't sit well with the party line around here.

Nobody on pprune has questioned its authenticity.

Its pretty compelling evidence.

Mmmm, I dunno! It doesn't seem to have been mentioned at all IIRC, other than in a few posts around then. I would have thought that, as it appears to be very compelling on the face of it, it would have attracted an enormous level of detailed discussion. Something seems off to me.

Water John

It actually does matter. Besides attempting to recover the crew, that is the other purpose of the search and also the lift. To find out as far as possible what happened.
To minimise the risk of a repeat. To find out was the aircraft compromised in any way. To make the future for all other crew, incl our other crews, safer.

The AAIU will spend whatever time and resources are necessary to that end.
It's not about the cost.

ED E

Any official word from Farnborough?

Stheno

kerry cow wrote: »

Does it really matter how it happened at this stage . It's over , two crew lost to sea .Two crew recovered for their families .its all a terrible happening .many trawler families have suffered the same faith in their line of duty .its over 21 days at this stage, time to park it ,stand down and move on .It's all a big media hype at this stage .let the families greeve and heal .

It's not yet three weeks spending some more time looking for the missing crew is imo worthwhile

spaceHopper

Up until last weekend you would have had the three families of the missing crew together at black sod pilot error is the elephant in the room. How do you think any of them would feel if rumours had been doing the rounds. Please show some respect

kippy

spaceHopper wrote: »

No sign of the missing crew must be very hard for the families. Wonder if it's worth doing a second land search of the island.

In fairness, there have been coastal searches ongoing by numerous resources since the accident and even more so over the past two weekends when the weather has been relatively good for this.
There have been smaller boats and lifeboats as well as the available SAR helicopter searching coastline from Achill to as far as the coast North of Killybegs. The same today from what I could see.
It is indeed bad news that no sign of the crew was found today. Very tough on the families and all concerned.

smurfjed

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Yes it matters, firstly to the families, then to the other people who fly/fly-in S92's every day and finally to the expensive court cases that will shortly commence.

irishgeo

Court cases really?

kippy

irishgeo wrote: »

Court cases really?

The very nature of the incident would involve various legal procedures.

smurfjed

Court cases really?

Guaranteed. Welcome to the world of aviation.

12gauge dave

It was said here yesterday that r118 landed on blackrock since incident is this 100% true?

spaceHopper

kippy wrote: »

In fairness, there have been coastal searches ongoing by numerous resources since the accident and even more so over the past two weekends when the weather has been relatively good for this.
There have been smaller boats and lifeboats as well as the available SAR helicopter searching coastline from Achill to as far as the coast North of Killybegs. The same today from what I could see.
It is indeed bad news that no sign of the crew was found today. Very tough on the families and all concerned.

Yes I've seen that too on marinetraffic can't fault them. Just wondering if the could have fallen out during the crash and ended up on a slope but not easily seen.

elastico

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Mmmm, I dunno! It doesn't seem to have been mentioned at all IIRC, other than in a few posts around then. I would have thought that, as it appears to be very compelling on the face of it, it would have attracted an enormous level of detailed discussion. Something seems off to me.

I checked marine traffic and its still there. Last speed 9knts.

spaceHopper

12gauge dave wrote: »

It was said here yesterday that r118 landed on blackrock since incident is this 100% true?

Don't think so the pad is to small. The AAIU went out in sometsomething smaller

TomOnBoard

12gauge dave wrote: »

It was said here yesterday that r118 landed on blackrock since incident is this 100% true?

I didn't see any report of R117 landing on Blackrock in the last few days. However I do recall such a report a couple of days after the accident on the day AAIU investigators were landed there. However IIRC it was later clarified that R117 was above Iniskea North.

JimWinters

Around 4pm on the 15th or 16th EI-ICG travelled from Blacksod directly to Blackrock where it either hovered for several minutes or landed. It returned to Blacksod and landed. Moments later there were pictures tweeted with a number of people removing a section of 116's tail from the ramp.

This section could have been winched up but looking at the effort made to remove it, it's likely it was loaded on the ground. Can't publish the pic unfortunately sorry...

Gadgetman496

JimWinters wrote: »

Around 4pm on the 15th or 16th EI-ICG travelled from Blacksod directly to Blackrock where it either hovered for several minutes or landed. It returned to Blacksod and landed. Moments later there were pictures tweeted with a number of people removing a section of 116's tail from the ramp.

This section could have been winched up but looking at the effort made to remove it, it's likely it was loaded on the ground. Can't publish the pic unfortunately sorry...

Is this the picture?

Cianmcliam

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Is this the picture?

If it is then it doesn't look like part of the tail section. The colour scheme is only on the main cabin area. R117 landed on Inishkea a few times and along the coast of Belmullet so that part could have come from anywhere.

JimWinters

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Is this the picture?

That's the one Gadgetman, thanks for the correction. So that section, which was removed from Blackrock, is either from just behind the cockpit or around the ramp

Means Of Escape

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huge difference between highly qualified professional air accident investigators and people on the internet bashing their heads off a keyboard in an effort to be nearly right in one of their theories. Huge difference.

Many of the investigators initial theories are "nearly right" until indelible evidence emerges that eliminates them and points to one .

Gadgetman496

Well this is a good shot of R116 so what might that piece have been part of? The white with the green stripe is near the tail section.

Cianmcliam

It looks like the rear ramp.

Panrich

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Well this is a good shot of R116 so what might that piece have been part of? The white with the green stripe is near the tail section.

And near the cockpit too.

elastico

Cianmcliam wrote: »

If it is then it doesn't look like part of the tail section. The colour scheme is only on the main cabin area. R117 landed on Inishkea a few times and along the coast of Belmullet so that part could have come from anywhere.

Unless the part in question doesn't float.

JimWinters

Cianmcliam wrote: »

It looks like the rear ramp.

Agreed, the pattern, shape and size is the same as the rear ramp. I believe this was removed from Blackrock on the 15th, the same afternoon Shane Ross visited Blacksod

Gadgetman496

Cianmcliam wrote: »

It looks like the rear ramp.

Actually, it could well be now that I look at it again.