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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

sparrowcar

Contact lost just before 0100 off the west coast of Achill island on a rescue mission.
Search in progress including all available ships and Rescue 115.

Hopefully a positive outcome to this.

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JimWinters

Around 4pm on the 15th or 16th EI-ICG travelled from Blacksod directly to Blackrock where it either hovered for several minutes or landed. It returned to Blacksod and landed. Moments later there were pictures tweeted with a number of people removing a section of 116's tail from the ramp.

This section could have been winched up but looking at the effort made to remove it, it's likely it was loaded on the ground. Can't publish the pic unfortunately sorry...

TomOnBoard

12gauge dave wrote: »

It was said here yesterday that r118 landed on blackrock since incident is this 100% true?

I didn't see any report of R117 landing on Blackrock in the last few days. However I do recall such a report a couple of days after the accident on the day AAIU investigators were landed there. However IIRC it was later clarified that R117 was above Iniskea North.

spaceHopper

12gauge dave wrote: »

It was said here yesterday that r118 landed on blackrock since incident is this 100% true?

Don't think so the pad is to small. The AAIU went out in sometsomething smaller

elastico

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Mmmm, I dunno! It doesn't seem to have been mentioned at all IIRC, other than in a few posts around then. I would have thought that, as it appears to be very compelling on the face of it, it would have attracted an enormous level of detailed discussion. Something seems off to me.

I checked marine traffic and its still there. Last speed 9knts.

spaceHopper

kippy wrote: »

In fairness, there have been coastal searches ongoing by numerous resources since the accident and even more so over the past two weekends when the weather has been relatively good for this.
There have been smaller boats and lifeboats as well as the available SAR helicopter searching coastline from Achill to as far as the coast North of Killybegs. The same today from what I could see.
It is indeed bad news that no sign of the crew was found today. Very tough on the families and all concerned.

Yes I've seen that too on marinetraffic can't fault them. Just wondering if the could have fallen out during the crash and ended up on a slope but not easily seen.

12gauge dave

It was said here yesterday that r118 landed on blackrock since incident is this 100% true?

smurfjed

Court cases really?

Guaranteed. Welcome to the world of aviation.

kippy

irishgeo wrote: »

Court cases really?

The very nature of the incident would involve various legal procedures.

irishgeo

Court cases really?

smurfjed

Does it really matter how it happened at this stage . It's over , two crew lost to sea .Two crew recovered for their families .its all a terrible happening .many trawler families have suffered the same faith in their line of duty .its over 21 days at this stage, time to park it ,stand down and move on .It's all a big media hype at this stage .let the families greeve and heal .

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Yes it matters, firstly to the families, then to the other people who fly/fly-in S92's every day and finally to the expensive court cases that will shortly commence.

kippy

spaceHopper wrote: »

No sign of the missing crew must be very hard for the families. Wonder if it's worth doing a second land search of the island.

In fairness, there have been coastal searches ongoing by numerous resources since the accident and even more so over the past two weekends when the weather has been relatively good for this.
There have been smaller boats and lifeboats as well as the available SAR helicopter searching coastline from Achill to as far as the coast North of Killybegs. The same today from what I could see.
It is indeed bad news that no sign of the crew was found today. Very tough on the families and all concerned.

spaceHopper

Up until last weekend you would have had the three families of the missing crew together at black sod pilot error is the elephant in the room. How do you think any of them would feel if rumours had been doing the rounds. Please show some respect

Stheno

kerry cow wrote: »

Does it really matter how it happened at this stage . It's over , two crew lost to sea .Two crew recovered for their families .its all a terrible happening .many trawler families have suffered the same faith in their line of duty .its over 21 days at this stage, time to park it ,stand down and move on .It's all a big media hype at this stage .let the families greeve and heal .

It's not yet three weeks spending some more time looking for the missing crew is imo worthwhile

ED E

Any official word from Farnborough?

Water John

It actually does matter. Besides attempting to recover the crew, that is the other purpose of the search and also the lift. To find out as far as possible what happened.
To minimise the risk of a repeat. To find out was the aircraft compromised in any way. To make the future for all other crew, incl our other crews, safer.

The AAIU will spend whatever time and resources are necessary to that end.
It's not about the cost.

TomOnBoard

elastico wrote: »

When I posted it earlier this morning it was swiftly censored and deleted without explanation. It doesn't sit well with the party line around here.

Nobody on pprune has questioned its authenticity.

Its pretty compelling evidence.

Mmmm, I dunno! It doesn't seem to have been mentioned at all IIRC, other than in a few posts around then. I would have thought that, as it appears to be very compelling on the face of it, it would have attracted an enormous level of detailed discussion. Something seems off to me.

kerry cow

elastico

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I've just seen that screenshot :eek: for the first time.

Just wondering, why are you asking if it's accurate?

However, in all the stuff I've read since 14th March, I'm asking myself how I haven't seen this previously? Could it be that its authenticity is in question?

When I posted it earlier this morning it was swiftly censored and deleted without explanation. It doesn't sit well with the party line around here.

Nobody on pprune has questioned its authenticity.

Its pretty compelling evidence.

TomOnBoard

Discodog wrote: »

That's virtually a hover or flare to land. I wonder if it's accurate ?

I've just seen that screenshot :eek: for the first time.

Just wondering, why are you asking if it's accurate?

However, in all the stuff I've read since 14th March, I'm asking myself how I haven't seen this previously? Could it be that its authenticity is in question?

ectoraige

Means Of Escape wrote: »

"Armchair speculation " has been correct in many respects since the beginning .

Being correct isn't always the same as being right. My heart goes out to the families tonight, looking into another week of uncertainty.

Gadgetman496

spaceHopper wrote: »

No sign of the missing crew must be very hard for the families. Wonder if it's worth doing a second land search of the island.

I don't think they were ever fully relying on the hope the two remaining crew were with or near the craft. This screenshot of the sweep they carried out recently clearly shows they were doing all they could to locate them.

That said, with the passage of so much time, I don't know what they can do next.

spaceHopper

No sign of the missing crew must be very hard for the families. Wonder if it's worth doing a second land search of the island.

elastico

Discodog wrote: »

That's virtually a hover or flare to land. I wonder if it's accurate?

No reason for it not to be. It ties in with all the other known facts at this stage.

Tenger

Its been repeatedly posted by mods and admins that the heavy handed moderation was initially to stop the barstool speculation that the thread was devoving into. Since then we have seen numerous infractions for breach of longstanding boards.ie regs (arguing inthread and ignoring mod instruction mainly)
We have recently seen the heated sniping over who knows more about subjects such as diving, tugboats cranes.
The boards.ie team are very aware of your opinions and arent taking these steps as a popularity contest.
But its very simple. If you cant follow the line then go elsewhere. We have tried to allow leeway when able, but then we have to jump in with bold text again.
Until we get news on the missing crew and more info released by the AAIU (not 3rd hand) the wild speculation is to cease.

Stheno

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

God love the families

Gadgetman496

Discodog

elastico wrote: »

Last recorded speed was 9Knts.

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Can't seem to load picture. Its in the thread below page 16.

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/592162-sar-s-92-missing-ireland-16.html

That's virtually a hover or flare to land. I wonder if it's accurate ?

Means Of Escape

CardinalJ wrote: »

I genuinely laughed at that.

EDIT - I'm finding it funnier as time goes on.

Collectively being the key word in his statement

elastico

TomOnBoard wrote: »

If that is the case, why would they have still been flying at 90 knots?

Last recorded speed was 9Knts.

592162-sar-s-92-missing-ireland-16.html#&gid=1&pid=1

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Can't seem to load picture. Its in the thread below page 16.

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/592162-sar-s-92-missing-ireland-16.html

Post 317 you may need to register to see image.

Discodog

TomOnBoard wrote: »

If that is the case, why would they have still been flying at 90 knots?

Surely if your destination was Blackrock (in error) you would descend slowly to cloudbase well away from it & then approach very slowly ? I have watched a lot of SAR landings. The final guidance is given by the winchman hanging out of the door. Mark one eyeball beats any altimeter or radar.

I have even seen them land at Galway hospital with one guy hanging out of each door