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Hi I've been thinking it'd be nice to have a thread where simple questions that people don't want to create a thread for, could go. Or any chat related to detailing.

I've a question. If I've put a wax on, then a sealant. Then after a few weeks or w/e I'm thinking the shine isn't what it was. (After washing obviously) Can I apply wax on top of whatever sealant and wax is left from the first time, or do I have to remove the remaining sealant + wax first?

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Shlippery

Curran wrote: »

As a rule of thumb; traditionally sealants are better suited to silver / light colours. But there are waxes that look well on silver also.
The secret with trying to achieve a good finish is in the prep. Wash, de-tar, de-iron and clay. With de-iron being a massive benefit to light colours, removing microscopic bonded contamination that regular washing won't.

The very man! Had just seen the other thread about Silver civic! Will try put some sort of an order together on your site later!

Had called to the business park a few weeks ago for a look but Elite Autoclean and the shed looked closed!

galwaydude18

Shlippery wrote: »

Don't want to go making a new thread - but got paid today and want to treat myself to a few bits, got a silver focus in January (attached old pics) and wondering what'd be good purchases.

Thinking Bilt Hamber Clay (I tried claying with a small bar I got in Halfords Mcguiers? - but want to get a proper one!), some tar remover and snow foam ('I've a karcher) and the Dry Me Crazy towel which seems to be recommended a fair bit.

But as regards to some sort of Wax or Sealant? What'd be good for a silver car like this?

Cheers lads - it's addictive stuff

Fusso is the big thing at the minute. It's a paint sealent. Very easy to apply and beads very well as well. There is a light and dark version. To be honest there is almost no difference between them regard shine. Only a few percent.

Then after applying the Fusso a lot of people are applying King Of Gloss as a wax.

Autopia is the only authorized dealer that is allowed to sell Fusso and King Of Gloss in Ireland.

I have Fusso on my van and it's brilliant. It's comes with an applicator as well. A light coat is al you need to apply and don't leave it on any more than 10 minutes or it gets hard to buff off. Use a microfiber to buff it off

Curran

Shlippery wrote: »

Had called to the business park a few weeks ago for a look but Elite Autoclean and the shed looked closed!

The shop has limited opening hours!

Fusso is very popular; it has a cult following, a bit like Apple and their iPhones.
There are plenty of choices out there, but as mentioned prep is the secret, and choosing products that will preform well in these stages, is key.

Shlippery

Ordered few essentials last night and will see how I get on before trying the fusso out! Cheers!

ronnie3585

Where's the best place to order Fusso from?

[Deleted User]

I've given up on waxes myself. Spent way too much money, time and effort with a lot of them. Ceramic is the fyootoor!!

vectra

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Fusso is the big thing at the minute.

Fusso was the big thing about 2 years ago.

Dust still sticks to it.
As Metz said above.
Ceramic is the way to go.
Waaaayyy.. too much money spent on waxes.

edburg

Still using wax at minute not got to ceramic's, got 5 pots of stuff here not sure I will ever see the bottom of them. Plus 2 or 3 bottles of sealant lol

Ceramics for most will be the seller but the better wax still will hold a spot for those show days when deepest shine is wanted. Until ceramic catches or surpasses them.

Curran

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Where's the best place to order Fusso from?

Autopia are the sellers of Fusso in Ireland

Ardennes1944

CarPro IronX I have, CarPro TarX I will buy now, what I really need (apart from a strong enough battery operated DA) are two sealable buckets.

It would allow me to do a much better job if I could fill up two buckets and bring them in the car before heading to the wash centre. I see there are gamma seal buckets that look good but they cost quite a lot. Has anyone seen or have experience of sealable buckets that would put up with a 10min car journey without spilling?

Edit: There is this http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=387092 but its 300pounds with 1 battery

Or a rotary for 600euro ha! http://www.ebay.de/itm/Milwaukee-Akku-Polierer-M18-FAP-2x-5-0-Ah-Akku-Tasche-FUEL-4933451550-T-/112312477773?clk_rvr_id=1192227077609&rmvSB=true

WOuld this be somehow suitable? I have the battery packs already. https://www.amazon.co.uk/DCS355N-XJ-Brushless-Oscillating-Multi-Tool-Accessories/dp/B00HER8E5A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490865664&sr=8-1&keywords=dewalt+cordless+sander

Cheensbo

I need some advice also regarding tar X.

Gave the car a decontamination treatment last Saturday:

Bh autofoam
2bm wash with Mr pink
Tar X
Korrosol
G3 clay mitt
Wash & dry
Meguiars compound (gave up after 1 panel)
AG srp (again, gave up after a few panels - and wiped it off wit isopropyl alcohol)
Collinite 845 all over.

When I was doing the decontamination stage, there was a good few spots of tar (not detarred in about 6000km/the whole winter)

The tar X doesn't seem to melt the tar quite enough, I used it liberally - half the bottle on one pass of the car, left it dwell for a few minutes and tried to rinse with the power washer, but it just remained on the paint in the form of brown splodges,

I did try another pass with the tar X (finished the bottle) but it still wouldn't come off touchless - so I ended up going around and rubbing it off, which annoyed me because I bought the tar X so I wouldn't have to touch the paint.

Is it possible that tardis would be better or perhaps a different product? Or is something wrong with my method?

Curran

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Has anyone seen or have experience of sealable buckets that would put up with a 10min car journey without spilling?

WOuld this be somehow suitable? I have the battery packs already. https://www.amazon.co.uk/DCS355N-XJ-Brushless-Oscillating-Multi-Tool-Accessories/dp/B00HER8E5A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490865664&sr=8-1&keywords=dewalt+cordless+sander

No experience with the Gamma buckets and seals, but they are supposed to be very good!

On the battery machine - 300w is very very down on power - the DAS6 entry level is 500w and underpowered - the 880w machine is the ideal starting point....so that should put it into perspective - not saying it wont polish, it will, but if you are trying to achieve correction, you'll want to be extremely patient - if you are just looking to enhance the finish, to add depth and gloss, perhaps it will get you by.

Cheensbo wrote: »

Is it possible that tardis would be better or perhaps a different product? Or is something wrong with my method?

If TarX didnt remove it, Tardis wouldnt have done it any quicker - you've have had to have done 3 or 4 attempts with it.

It doesnt seem like you have done anything wrong - did you apply to a wet surface?

I usually use around 300ml of 500ml on the first applicaiton, and then the final 200ml for removing anything that didnt lift on the first attempt.

edburg

Can't compare tarx to tardis, but will say tardis is poor compared to just the tonic from autobrite.

Tardis can easily take 3-4 attempts to get mild tar spots of car, ordinary stuff like not baked on. Where as a couple goes with just the tonic has me clear.

That said 6 months tar collection a car is most likely going to need a bit more work especially if the spots your having issue's with have bonded early in that period.

Ardennes1944

300w is a concern, but I managed to do an e46 with the standard DAS6 fine, the face that the Honda has softer paint could even it up somewhat too?

Edit: Just seen its oscillating only

edburg

I'd be guessing you'd need patience of a Jedi master with battery operated machine or half dozen batteries lined up behind you.

As for buckets I have not used mine in way your thinking but the buckets I have are same as a mate up north and he has taking his buckets for a drive half-2/3rds full before now with out issue's.

Only problem is I actually can't remember if I got them from Curran at his shed or elsewhere.

Curran

As I said, it will polish - but at what rate, who knows - also, battery life would be a concern. Im sure you have more than one battery, but even with two, will the battery that is used first be fully charged by the time the 2nd dies?

Ardennes1944

Yeah the batteries from dewalt charge very quick I must say. But oscillating tool wont do and their grinders dont have variable speed. Oh well!

Cheensbo

Curran wrote: »

If TarX didnt remove it, Tardis wouldnt have done it any quicker - you've have had to have done 3 or 4 attempts with it.

It doesnt seem like you have done anything wrong - did you apply to a wet surface?

I usually use around 300ml of 500ml on the first applicaiton, and then the final 200ml for removing anything that didnt lift on the first attempt.

Ah fair enough, I've only ever used tar X and the autoglym stuff before (pure shíte btw) and of course the holtz aerosol stuff years ago, but that stuff would nearly strip the paint off it.

The tar wasn't crazy on it, mostly very small specks rather than a buildup - 6000km is probably an over estimate.

First pass I applied it to dry surface, 2nd pass might have had some water on it alright but would not have been a lot as such. It still left the odd light brown smudge afterwards, almost seemed to solidify and stick back on once the power washer was fired at it

Guess I was hoping to get more out of it than one can expect, I'll just use it a lot more liberally and expect to use a bottle of it on each treatment and take it from there.

Thanks for the reply

Curran

Wonder would a slight issue be, leaving it too long to dwell, where the TarX has started to dry and thus the tar spot is re-bonding, as youve pointed out.

Tar removal is very much a case of Catch 22 - you want something strong enough to remove tar, but safe enough not to damage paintwork, plastics & trim, etc. Its a tough one to balance. TarX, IMO, is the best when all things are consider - are there products out there that will remove tar quicker; yes. Would I use them; many I wouldnt and anything different; not without testing first.

As you say; the Holts is VERY aggressive - tar melts though...along with whatever else the tar is on!

Cheensbo

Could well be, it was rather hot last Saturday, although I did the TarX in the shade it probably did dry a little quicker than I might have expected.

Either way, it melts the stuff, and doesn't melt the plastic trim or my nostrils. So I'll stick with it, I'll keep the holtz for stripping the shed roof.

Thanks sir, I might pop up to the shed this Saturday if it's open.

Curran

LOL - Holts for the shed roof!

Yeah; from 11am!

Bandito909

Lads, anyone know if any Irish retailers stock the scholl s20? Cheers

vectra

Bandito909 wrote: »

Lads, anyone know if any Irish retailers stock the scholl s20? Cheers

BLOK51

Hal1

So I started working next door to a detailing place, if you want to call it that. They are very busy, cars always outside and new customers enquiring etc. Well, walking past the place today I noticed 6 of those huge yellow rubber tub buckets full of SPONGES!. Fkn flity looking bucket of greasy dirty water.

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They had their wash and rinse buckets but they also had a wash brush, and I seen one of them using this thing. Some lovely new'ish cars getting a hape of swirl marks on the new paint.

But sure if it looks ok from a distance it must be good enough for them.

cena

Curran wrote: »

Autopia are the sellers of Fusso in

I see they are the main dealer for angel wax now

Bandito909

vectra wrote: »

BLOK51

Thanks for that Vectra, that site looks interesting

Ardennes1944

Not sure if this is detailing or DIY repair but what would be the best option for the plastic trim here lads?

I am currently filling up the paint scratch with touch up and hope to get it polished down in the coming weeks

punisher5112

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Not sure if this is detailing or DIY repair but what would be the best option for the plastic trim here lads?

I am currently filling up the paint scratch with touch up and hope to get it polished down in the coming weeks

Black plastic trim won't fix there will always be a mark. The other silver paint will need filling up by looks of it.

edburg

Aye trim unfortunately needs replacing unless your willing to paint all the trim to match then you can fill and paint like the silver area.

Nice deep gouge with out other damage is curious damage that one.

Ardennes1944

Im guessing the pedal of a bicycle or similar.

Guess Im on the hunt for some trim then.

God I cant wait to have a house away from these plebs