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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

Chemical Burn

SEXISM MEN HAVE EXPERIENCED

Inspired by the thread I saw in the Ladies' Lounge, about Sexism they apparently experience from day to day life, I thought I might start a thread about sexism that us gentlmen experience apart from the others in the LL.
So Gentlemen of GC, what sexism discrimination do you experience?

Please NO AH-type responses or attacking the OP or thread ...

I was told by a driving instructor (back in the day) that I would have a lesser chance of passing the test because of how I looked and because I was a man (instructor was female). This was 11 years ago.

I was in college queuing up to use a photocopyer / printer and it was faulty, and I had to page the maintenance guy. Even though I was first in the queue, he pushed me aside and told me to " let the "ladies" go ahead of me ", when the machine was back up and running again. This was 10 years ago.

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I'm going to make this completely crystal clear, for the benefit of all.

This is a thread for men to post their experiences of sexism that they believe they have experienced. Discussion in this thread is welcome, from both men and women - so long as it goes with the ethos of the thread. Addition - this thread will also encompass general sexism against men.

The following is no longer to take place in this thread:

- Discussion of which sex has it worse
- Arguing about what is, or isn't sexism in your view

This is the Gentlemen's Club forum. This forum will always have a male leaning ethos. Men do not have to defend their experiences in this thread to anyone.

We will start banning people who continue to derail this thread.

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silverharp

I think the ad makes a good point that heroes don't drink Heinlein.

Anyone got a link to the Bulmers ad being referenced?
I did a quick google but came up dry.

lol! I don't see it on Youtube

On a different front , Australia seems to have gone full SJW, Im pretty sure they are only talking about boys here. I feel sorry for any kids if there parents are in the dark about this.

https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/847051610220089344

Armchair Andy

kunst nugget wrote:

Anyone over 35 still drinking Bulmers needs to get their taste buds testedâ€¦

Jesus I loved a pint of it with ice on a hot summers day.

Pawwed Rig

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Jesus I loved a pint of it with ice on a hot summers day.

Me too. The pint bottles were a great invention

[Deleted User]

kunst nugget wrote: »

Anyone over 35 still drinking Bulmers needs to get their taste buds tested…

I'm a smoker, so maybe that explains it. It's a taste that always reminds me of home.

red ears

This is a crazy example of sexism against men. An English Professor, Dennis Gouws runs a class called 'men in literature'. The dean of his department Anne Herzog took issue with this and is in the process of firing Dennis. Even though the same university has a women in literature class.

From the article

'But in June 2015, Herzog wrote to him, demanding that he revise the course because an unnamed student had complained about its content because it dealt with men in literature. Since that was the title of the course, the content of the syllabus, and the substance of the class, it is a bit perplexing that Herzog saw merit in the complaint, but so she did.

Gouws attempted to hold his ground. His professional life at Springfield College, however, has been in jeopardy ever since.'

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/29/springfield-college-tries-oust-professor-teaching-men-literature/

silverharp

so much for the regressive feminists that only exist in 1's and zeros

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/this-plymouth-university-student-is-fighting-for-men-s-rights/story-30236815-detail/story.html

A Plymouth University student has been denied the chance to set up a "men's rights" forum - because they do not suffer discrimination.

Will Styles, 21, says there is a women's forum on campus but no equivalent space for male students to seek advice and guidance.

He applied to set up such a platform, but the University of Plymouth Students' Union (UPSU) said equal opportunities legislation only applies to groups which have suffered "historic and ongoing discrimination", adding "those groups do not include men".

Will, a third year architecture student, said: "I spent the last year and a bit collecting signatures and writing to the board of trustees.

"Then I referenced the university's equal opportunities policy, which is based on the equalities act. I felt they were denying opportunities to a group based on their gender.

"They said the policy was not written with men in mind. That sent me through the roof.

"On the most basic level it's about academic representation. The number of men in education has been declining since the 1990s, particularly in subjects like nursing.

"Then there are campus issues like men's mental health and male suicide. There is not a lot happening on campus for that, or for sexual harassment of men or false sexual harassment accusations."

The petition attracted 220 signatures, but UPSU says it stands by its decision.

Will said: "When did it become about who has the worst issues? Why don't we help all people? When did it become a competition about who has it worse?

"That's not how equality or equal opportunities works. Even if men only had one single issue, why would we not want to help them?"

Fellow student Will Mason says he is supporting the cause.

"There should be a men's forum for the same reason there should be a women's forum: there should be a dedicated group of people facilitating a place for issues and concerns facing those from a certain sex," he said.

"These include issues such as the shockingly high male suicide and depression rates, False sexual assault accusations, and rising gender employment inequality."

In a written response to Will Styles, a students' union spokesman said: "The UPSU trustee board noted that references in the UPSU constitution to equal opportunities and the UPSU equal opportunities policy must be read in the context of the relevant equal opportunities legislation.

"That legislation, both in its initial form and as subsequently amended, is specifically designed to address equal opportunities for groups which have suffered historic and ongoing discrimination.

"Those groups did not, and do not, include men (other than in the context of equal pay, which is a qualitatively different issue.)

"As a consequence, the UPSU trustee board does not consider that the fact that the UEC did not vote in favour to establish a men's forum was in breach of the UPSU constitution or equal opportunities policy.

"Nor does the board consider that this was an act of discrimination, for the reasons stated above."

This week a UPSU spokesman told The Herald: "UPSU's trustee board stands by the decision made.

"Further to our written reply, representatives personally met with Will regarding this matter and clearly explained the democratic process he needs to undertake if he wishes to take the idea of a men's forum back to the union council."

Carlos Orange

silverharp wrote: »

so much for the regressive feminists that only exist in 1's and zeros

Not too surprising. Modern day equality isn't about treating people equally any more.

[Deleted User]

That's Blatant discrimination. Regardless of their reasons, if there is a forum for women, then logically, there should be a forum for men (if there is the support in the student body). Otherwise, how can there be any claim of equality?

Utterly disgraceful.

It puts me in mind of the outcry against any male only clubs, which were shut down or made open to women, and then, how female only clubs were then opened.. which men cannot join.

I'm getting to the end of my patience with this kind of behavior. I'm off to find any reasonable groups/associations seeking to balance this very biased "equality" drive. Time to start making noise, I think.

Pawwed Rig

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It puts me in mind of the outcry against any male only clubs, which were shut down or made open to women, and then, how female only clubs were then opened.. which men cannot join.

We have had a number of complaints over the years about the existence of a forum called the Gentlemens Club

silverharp

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

We have had a number of complaints over the years about the existence of a forum called the Gentlemens Club

seriously? for wind up purposes you should get a male only sub sub forum, it will fry their minds worrying about what the patriarchy is cooking up absent female oversight

Pat Mustard

silverharp wrote: »

for wind up purposes you should get a male only sub sub forum, it will fry their minds worrying about what the patriarchy is cooking up absent female oversight

:pac:

The Yorkie Thread. Guaranteed not to last for very long.

kiddums

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

We have had a number of complaints over the years about the existence of a forum called the Gentlemens Club

Seriously? I wonder how many complaints The Ladies Lounge have gotten?

Actually, iirc was that forum not private at some point when this one was open for all to see?

Wibbs

kiddums wrote: »

Seriously? I wonder how many complaints The Ladies Lounge have gotten?

Having modded the place for a long time, I can tell you quite the few and regularly.

py2006

Why were there complaints against the Gentlemens Club?

__Alex__

silverharp wrote: »

so much for the regressive feminists that only exist in 1's and zeros

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/this-plymouth-university-student-is-fighting-for-men-s-rights/story-30236815-detail/story.html

That's insane! :eek:

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

We have had a number of complaints over the years about the existence of a forum called the Gentlemens Club

Wasn't there quite robust opposition to tLL at one stage also? There certainly seems to be a lot of issues with it aorund the 2011 mark. I think with any gendered forum, there's going to be a small number of people taking the hump.

Blue Badger

Wibbs wrote: »

Having modded the place for a long time, I can tell you quite the few and regularly.

This is just ridiculous!

kiddums

Wibbs wrote: »

Having modded the place for a long time, I can tell you quite the few and regularly.

Well I guess that not so bad then. At least both forums have had complaints about their existence, so it can't exactly be classed as sexism in either case.

LostinBlanch

There's an interesting article in the Guardian about Laura Kipnis , a professor who wrote about Title IX, the federal staute in the States that is driving the current rape culture paranoia on US campuses. The one where the accused are denied any legal representation or information about their charges until they turn up, so can not prepare any defense!

Of course, writing about this means that 3rd wave feminists turned on her.

“The other week, I gave a talk at Wellesley [a private, liberal women’s arts college in Massachusetts],” she says, when we talk on Skype (sitting at her desk, she is by turns thoughtful, angry and, sometimes, slightly gleeful). “When I was there, it went fine. There was a great discussion, and I went out to dinner with a group of students. But a group of women made a video denouncing me before I even arrived – they attacked me for being a white feminist – and afterwards six faculty members at Wellesley wrote an email [to their colleagues] saying, in effect, that I shouldn’t have been invited to speak and that students need to be protected from views that are injurious to them.” The letter in question was posted on the website of Fire (the Foundation of Individual Rights in Education). As ridiculous as it is, it makes for sobering reading. Among other things, its signatories lament the fact that so-called controversial speakers negatively impact students by forcing them to “invest time and energy in rebutting the speakers’ arguments”.

The article ends with comparing this hysteria to the Salem Witch Trials, but to me it looks like self appointed student groups are acting like Mao's Red Guards in the Cultural Revolution. Trying to cow professors and academics into submission for fear of losing their jobs, or worse.

H3llR4iser

kiddums wrote: »

Well I guess that not so bad then. At least both forums have had complaints about their existence, so it can't exactly be classed as sexism in either case.

Yeah, although...let's say that in my experience the "opposite gender" concept is not welcome on one of them as much as it is on the other.

silverharp

:mad:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4381724/Widower-accused-PAEDOPHILE-Travelodge-staff.html

Widower staying with his own daughter, 13, is accused of being a PAEDOPHILE by Travelodge staff and interviewed by police all because he booked a double room
Staff asked Craig Darwell, 46, to show ID for his daughter Millie, 13, at check in
He showed images of them together when she was a baby but they called police
Mr Darwell, who lost wife ten years ago, and Millie were questioned separately
Millie was 'distraught' and left in floods of tears after interview with the officer

A widower who lost his wife to cancer was accused of being a paedophile by Travelodge staff because he booked a double room for him and his daughter.
Craig Darwell, 46, was taking Millie, 13, to visit Thorpe Park and was forced to book the double room in Chertsey, Surrey, because there were no others available.
But when he checked in, suspicious staff demanded that he show them his daughter's ID.
Mr Darwell, who lost his wife to leukaemia when Millie was just four, explained that he did not have ID for his daughter and instead showed staff pictures of them together when she was a baby.
But even after seeing them, staff called the police and he and his daughter were forced into separate rooms and interviewed by a police officer.

Mr Darwell, who felt 'knotted inside' after the accusation, said his daughter was 'distraught' and refused to leave the room after the ordeal.
'My little girl was in her room crying her eyes out when we were supposed to be going out for tea for a special weekend,' he told MailOnline.

Sleepy

Presumably she'll be getting a very nice present for her next birthday since Dad should be coming into a nice settlement soon?

silverharp

Sleepy wrote: »

Presumably she'll be getting a very nice present for her next birthday since Dad should be coming into a nice settlement soon?

could be, I think I'd sue in that situation, its the worst thing you can accuse someone of . If the hotel wanted to cover themselves they should say that children should have ID or proof of relationship to the adult. the father was helpful at the desk by his account so that should have been the end of it.
Hope the idiot staff member is sacked as well

Sleepy

There'd be no thinking about it for me. I'd be sueing for everything my solicitor could think of throwing at them: defamation, emotional distress etc.

Pawwed Rig

Damn right I would sue. There are men that have lost their kids for similar accusations.

Suing is the only consequence these businesses ever face.

ligerdub

It's obviously awful for the family.

Having said that in situations where there was a genuine kidnapping or what have you then there would be all sorts of hullabaloo about the hotel turning a blind eye to "obvious crimes" or being soft on ethics.

In situations like this it's the path of least resistance, and we know full well that men are the easiest targets.

py2006

No questions or suspicions if it was mother and son...

__Alex__

silverharp wrote: »

:mad:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4381724/Widower-accused-PAEDOPHILE-Travelodge-staff.html

Jesus H Christ.

Don't these people realise that if it was an abduction they were dealing with, you'd be able to tell from the behaviour of the adult and the child? Can't they use their fucking discretion?

And yes, if it was a woman and child, she wouldn't be suspected at all.

iptba

silverharp wrote: »

seriously? for wind up purposes you should get a male only sub sub forum, it will fry their minds worrying about what the patriarchy is cooking up absent female oversight

I've just noticed there is a female-only private sub forum on boards ...

Pawwed Rig

iptba wrote: »

I've just noticed there is a female-only private sub forum on boards ...

Is that the Ladies Lounge Private? It was set up to arrange meetups that wouldn't be crashed. I doubt it is used very much anymore

[Deleted User]

If men wanted their own private forum, I'm sure we could get one. Think the women's one was used frequently, but it doesn't seem like it's as big as it was.