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RIP Martin McGuinness

thee glitz

Former Deputy First Minister of NI Martin McGuinness has died. May he RIP.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0321/861287-martin-mcguinness-death/

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Patww79 wrote: »

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Is change really what you want? Because even in this thread you've shown an unwillingness to accept it

You're still trying to drag things backwards

Jack the Stripper

No fierce relevant but they should have put Mary Lou at front and Michelle in middle.

Esel

And so the thread descends into the mud...

please helpThank YOU

...And Justice wrote: »

No. It was manufactured for political purposes. I'm not saying it's completely false but She didn't press charges against people, and when asked about civil action, she quickly faded away with the help of Joan Burton and Alan Kelly.

As I said, if she had credibility, FF, LAB, FG would have spouting this nonsense over and over. Its gone, it was used for the election and nothing else, she knows it too that the elected representatives double crossed her.

Promised the world, sucked up and spat out. That's Leinster house.

Joan Burton she is not there at the Martin McGuinness funeral?

FrancieBrady

...And Justice wrote: »

No. It was manufactured for political purposes. I'm not saying it's completely false but She didn't press charges against people, and when asked about civil action, she quickly faded away with the help of Joan Burton and Alan Kelly.

As I said, if she had credibility, FF, LAB, FG would have spouting this nonsense over and over. Its gone, it was used for the election and nothing else, she knows it too that the elected representatives double crossed her.

Promised the world, sucked up and spat out. That's Leinster house.

Indeed. It is a good job Enda and Michael were not tasked with pursuing justice for the victims of Bloody Sunday.
They forgot about Maria's case almost before the photographers put away their cameras.
Always curious why that was. If they believed her they'd never have let SF forget it.

Alf Stewart.

EagererBeaver wrote: »

You surely understand her issue with Sinn Fein and its. leadership though. What she was subjected to was horrific and inexcusable.

Yeah, she went on to despise them (SF) and the peace process they partook in so much, she signed up to a dissident Republican organisation.

As you do.

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Jayop wrote: »

Ah it's an awful pity that priest is there between Gerry and Enda. You could imagine Gerry trying to get a rise out of him, nipping the back of his legs and whatnot.

:eek: Enda

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please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Enda ? I was just thinking the same.

...And Justice

EagererBeaver wrote: »

You surely understand her issue with Sinn Fein and its. leadership though. What she was subjected to was horrific and inexcusable.

No. It was manufactured for political purposes. I'm not saying it's completely false but She didn't press charges against people, and when asked about civil action, she quickly faded away with the help of Joan Burton and Alan Kelly.

As I said, if she had credibility, FF, LAB, FG would have spouting this nonsense over and over. Its gone, it was used for the election and nothing else, she knows it too that the elected representatives double crossed her.

Promised the world, sucked up and spat out. That's Leinster house.

thee glitz

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Funeral pic

Obviously the Indo won't run this on the cover, but they should.

FrancieBrady

EagererBeaver wrote: »

You surely understand her issue with Sinn Fein and its. leadership though. What she was subjected to was horrific and inexcusable.

Her issues with SF should not be fodder for newspapers. None of what she said was ever backed up with evidence. 5 people were prepared to go into a court and defend themselves and never got the chance.
There are letters showing that members of SF offered her help and advice like they claimed they did.
I am not saying who is right or wrong but 5 people are deserving of their good names and rights until proven otherwise. They have been tried in the media and with no evidence whatsoever you have obviously made your mind up.
Why has she never taken a civil case against these people?

Why use a death to draw attention to herself?

A Dub in Glasgo

Jayop

Patww79 wrote: »

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They said that in 1998 too

OldMrBrennan83

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EagererBeaver

...And Justice wrote: »

She's a media whore that was taken out of the limelight by those that presented her as opposition to Sinn Fein. She was dropped like a hot snot. If she had credibility she'd be continually pushed by those the brought her to the fore.

You surely understand her issue with Sinn Fein and its. leadership though. What she was subjected to was horrific and inexcusable.

Jayop

Patww79 wrote: »

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You don't think symbolic gestures are important?

If not then quite simply you're wrong.

Jayop

Ah it's an awful pity that priest is there between Gerry and Enda. You could imagine Gerry trying to get a rise out of him, nipping the back of his legs and whatnot.

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Bambi wrote: »

Photographer gets kudos for catching this moment, you couldn't have posed it better. The two leaders reaching past Adams and Robinson to shake hands with Kenny walking off and Clinton staring at his empty hand

Enda ?

...And Justice

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mairia Cahill on Martin McGuinness today:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mcguinness-acted-disgracefully-over-rape-allegation-says-cahill-1.3022465

Now considering that her 'Uncle Joe' (Joe Cahill) was head of the Belfast Brigade of the IRA and later its Chief of Staff round the time MMcG was doing 'despicable things' you just wonder about her consistency re her attitudes to the IRA, those in it, and the Troubles when she wrote this loving stuff about 'Uncle Joe' back in 2004:

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/12061

She's a media whore that was taken out of the limelight by those that presented her as opposition to Sinn Fein. She was dropped like a hot snot. If she had credibility she'd be continually pushed by those the brought her to the fore.

OldMrBrennan83

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citytillidie

Maybe just maybe we might get the bright brand new day

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Mairia Cahill on Martin McGuinness today:

a likeable man who did some despicable things in the first half of his life and who redeemed himself somewhat during the latter part

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mcguinness-acted-disgracefully-over-rape-allegation-says-cahill-1.3022465

Now considering that her 'Uncle Joe' (Joe Cahill) was head of the Belfast Brigade of the IRA and later its Chief of Staff round the time MMcG was doing 'despicable things' you just wonder about her consistency re her attitudes to the IRA, those in it, and the Troubles when she wrote this loving stuff about 'Uncle Joe' back in 2004:

Lifelong republican, committed to struggle, IRA leader, supporter of the Peace Process, Honourary Vice President of Sinn Féin. I have heard Joe Cahill quoted as being all of the above, and he was, but most importantly to me, he was 'Uncle Joe', and I loved him. I found him to be witty, strong, yet gentle, grumpy yet hilarious, and he was loving. He was a role model as a republican to thousands, and he was a role model to me in terms of the way I want to live my life.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/12061

Dyr

Photographer gets kudos for catching this moment, you couldn't have posed it better. The two leaders reaching past Adams and Robinson to shake hands with Kenny walking off and Clinton staring at his empty hand

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Muff Richardson

Bambi wrote: »

No one care's what you couldn't have done though, "miserable skidmark from internet attends funeral" was never going to be a headline.

:D:D

A Dub in Glasgo

Well done Christy, lovely song

https://twitter.com/DeborahMcAleese/status/844988033594220545

FrancieBrady

CinderKone wrote: »

anyone know what music was being played as the coffin was being carried from the church? It was a familiar air that i just can't quite place?

munsterlegend

CinderKone wrote: »

anyone know what music was being played as the coffin was being carried from the church? It was a familiar air that i just can't quite place?

Mo Ghile mear I think is the one you are referring to.

Jayop

Noddyholder wrote: »

While I respect your views & opinion , & think I know were you coming from, Surely the amount of folks from all walks of life that paid there respects says something of the man,

Even PSNI Chief Constable George Hamilton was among the mourners. Who's organisation was in the front line & lost many member's , Surely if he can show solidarity & respect others can ?

Only 2 PSNI oficers, (Constables Kerr and Carroll) as far as I can remember have been murdered, neither by the IRA but both by dissos with no association to SF or McGuinness other than to threaten him too.

Thankfully the RUC doesn't exist and Hamilton wasn't representing them.

nacho libre

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did he say they were friends for 47 years? That's a long time, difficult day for him. I always got the feeling Adams was advised a lot by McGuinness. Two very different temperaments. Will be interesting to see how Adams performs without him.

It seems he leans on Mary Lou too these days. Martin McGuinness it seems was well liked, even by though he met who might have preferred to dislike him.
The same cannot be said for Gerry Adams. He seems to be not as personable .

However, as Bill alluded to in his joke, it must be tough on him after 45 years to process that he won't be seeing his friend Martin McGuinness again, all the more so given that he did not get to the hospital in time before he passed.

Dyr

DrWu wrote: »

Well done to Arlene, I know I couldn't have done it.

No one care's what you couldn't have done though, "miserable skidmark from internet attends funeral" was never going to be a headline.