Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.
Grayson wrote: » The fact is that the vast majority of people who are right wing aren't far right wing. The same goes for Islam.And if you want to say there's something wrong with Islam than you have to accept that there's something inherently violent about conservatives.
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Hank Scorpio wrote: » Honestly when I brought up things about HRC/Obama and so on in the past to defend Trump, I was instantly slammed as deflecting. Now the narrative of people is bringing up Catholic Priests, the IRA, and other terrorists as somewhat of a defense mechanism inciting if others have done bad things, there isn't a problem. The double standard of the left is ridiculous, and quite honestly, a waste of time engaging in such discussions.
Grayson wrote: » Nobody on the planet thinks that? there's loads. Maybe nobody on this forum but there's plenty of right wing nutjobs.
ceadaoin. wrote: » Really? I've found that lots of the people who accuse everyone of being islamaphobes find anti Semitism perfectly acceptable
Hank Scorpio wrote: » Brevik, or Priests who abused Children, are scumbags. I still believe it to be not comparable though, ISIS is a terrorist group who has killed tens of thousands and are actively looking to recruit people to attack the West, entirely different situation. Parts of the teaching of their Religion advocate for physical violence against non believers. We're letting people in may who influence others to commit terrorism, or in some cases terrorists themselves get a free ride. Forget the extremism and terrorism though for a second. Do you think forced multiculturalism from terror prone regions like we've seen in recent years adds a positive or negative aspect to developed European countries, in respect to economic and social benefits? Respected polls have shown the majority of people in the EU are entirely against Muslim immigration from such regions. Merkel, who most would consider strongly on the left, has said Multiculturalism is a fictional myth creating parallel societies and that it has utterly failed in Germany.
Grayson wrote: » Jews killed German diplomats. Remember that? they also committed lots of acts of terrorism in Palestine. The first modern suicide bomber in the middle east was a jew. People who wanted to hate jews found their reasons to hate jews. Of course that's different because we like jews now but hate muslims. You ignored the rest of my original post. Should we ban priests? 6% in Boston were paedophiles. 6% is a very, very high number. Far higher than the number of muslims that have committed a terrorist attack. There's a far higher correlation between Catholicism/paedophilia than there is between Muslims/Terrorism. Should we ban priests from coming into the country? Does being catholic mean that you're more likely to be a paedophile? Should we monitor catholic communities and give them extra vetting? This is a religion that has endorsed the killing of non believers, encourages the spread of the faith (sometimes by force) and actively covers up child abuse. There's obviously something inherently wrong with that religion. I mean, have you read their holy book. It's filled with more violence than the Koran. Or do you just not care about the children.
wakka12 wrote: » Not even the most right wing nuttiest nut job from mars thinks it. You think a right wing nut job thinks all muslim college students are terrorists? All muslim children in high school? All muslim elderly women in nursing homes? all muslim people sick in hospital? All muslim nurses and doctors? All muslim women in the park with their babies in their arms? I stand by my statement that there is NOBODY on earth who thinks ALL muslims are terrorists
Grayson wrote: » I'll agree with ISIS. But Isis are not all Muslims. they account for a tiny percentage. And there's two type of Muslims. The ones that flee ISIS (Now in the millions) and those that join them. ISIS really only have tens of thousands of fighters and probably the same number of supporters. By all means vet refugees. And a discussion about the economic impact is important too. However that's a different matter from saying that Islam is the problem. Just because some Muslims are bad is not the same as saying Islam is bad. Just because it says that violence is OK in the Koran does not mean that Muslims are violent. I posted a study in this thread yesterday that shows that the bible is more violent. And that's either the old or new testament. If people on the right had their way then a refugee like Malala Yousafzai would be banned.
wakka12 wrote: » Grayson wrote: » Nobody on the planet thinks that? there's loads. Maybe nobody on this forum but there's plenty of right wing nutjobs. Not even the most right wing nuttiest nut job from mars thinks it. You think a right wing nut job thinks all muslim college students are terrorists? All muslim children in high school? All muslim elderly women in nursing homes? all muslim people sick in hospital? All muslim nurses and doctors? All muslim women in the park with their babies in their arms? I stand by my statement that there is NOBODY on earth who thinks ALL muslims are terrorists
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Grayson you come out with some of the most baffling BS on boards
Widdershins wrote: » ''we like Jews but hate Muslims'' doesn't really deserve a response. You should try to get out of that mindset. There isn't a need to speak equally of every aspect of every religion. The rest of that comment is as contentious. Isreal and Hamas are not comparable to Isil and everyone else. And the UN have no input into Isil's conduct. There's definitely something wrong with the Bible. The more devout the Christian the more likely they are to be looney, in my opinion. Luckily, they tend not to be so devout nowadays. If Christians develop new expansionist tendencies and so on, we would of course need to examine it.We have enough to deal with as it is with the violent loonies of one religion.
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Hank Scorpio wrote: » There's far worse, believe me. Grayson is at least respectable in arguing his position even if I strongly disagree with him and sometimes, not intentionally snap at him. Others will straight up call you racist when discussing such topics, and tend to get away it.
wakka12 wrote: » You don't think he might be saying that to ryle people up? Get a reaction? Answer my question, do you think theres anyone on planet earth who genuinely believes all muslim children, say under 5 years old are terrorists?
Hank Scorpio wrote: » When I brought up things about HRC/Obama and so on in the past to defend Trump, I was instantly slammed as deflecting. Now the narrative of people is bringing up Catholic Priests, the IRA, and other terrorists as somewhat of a defense mechanism inciting if others have done bad things, there isn't a problem. The double standard of the left is ridiculous, and quite honestly, a waste of time engaging in such discussions.
Grayson wrote: » By all means vet refugees. And a discussion about the economic impact is important too. However that's a different matter from saying that Islam is the problem. Just because some Muslims are bad is not the same as saying Islam is bad. Just because it says that violence is OK in the Koran does not mean that Muslims are violent. I posted a study in this thread yesterday that shows that the bible is more violent. And that's either the old or new testament.
If people on the right had their way then a refugee like Malala Yousafzai would be banned.
Grayson wrote: » Maybe that guy does. He said it. And of course when a bigot shouts "You're all terrorists" he's just trolling. He's just doing it to rile people up. It can't be because he actually means it. Is that what it's come to. A bigot shouts offensive stuff and you try to make excuses?
Grayson wrote: » There;'s at least 3 people active right now on the thread who have called me names in the past or said outright that I like seeing the death of others. You and I are actually pretty close in opinion. It's just our views on islam. Even then I think we have more in common that differences. I think the two core differences are 1) wheat percentage of Muslims are terrorist? 2) is it possible for a moderate Muslim to integrate/live in a western country. Is that about it?
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Another huge problem these days is that any left wing nut job who thinks anybody is right wing means they must be racist. They're left wing nut jobs out there too, who cause own social problems
WinnyThePoo wrote: » You don't make the rules Hank. You consistently used deflection in the trump threads when you had nothing to add. Who are the left Hank?
Hank Scorpio wrote: » I'd say the only people with mental issues are the ones calling attacks like this ineffective and trying to brush it off. Incredibly insulting to the victims. Hundreds dead in Europe since Dec 2015 from radical Islamic terrorism, fact.
ScumLord wrote: » What did it achieve? Is London really any more terrorised? Is the UK grinding to a halt? Is the UK going to stop their military campaigns because they're afraid? They murdered people and it achieved nothing, ISIS have shown their ability to strike against their enemies is pathetic and incapable of nothing more than random acts of isolated violence.
ScumLord wrote: » They murdered people and it achieved nothing, ISIS have shown their ability to strike against their enemies is pathetic and incapable of nothing more than random acts of isolated violence.
Grayson wrote: » Is that what it's come to. A bigot shouts offensive stuff and you try to make excuses?
