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RIP Martin McGuinness

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Former Deputy First Minister of NI Martin McGuinness has died. May he RIP.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0321/861287-martin-mcguinness-death/

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Harry Palmr

Well he could have kept his commentary to that of the man being buried rather than getting obviously party political.

Nidgeweasel

My name is URL wrote: »

It was a republican funeral.

Which part of that exactly are people having difficulty understanding?

I was being slightly facetious.

I thought he spoke well to be honest and parts were very moving. He still hasn't got the balance of subtly moving between conciliatory and inflammatory, though. And I get that it was a republican oration, just it wasn't in keeping with the tone of the day. In my opinion of course.

Jayop

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well he could have kept his commentary to that of the man being buried rather than getting obviously party political.

It wasn't party political. I can understand why anyone with a hatred for SF would try to jump up and down and stomp their feet about it, but it was a speech about McGuinness, his life and his legacy, given that about 50 years of his life was dedicated to the republican cause between SF and the IRA it's unsurprising.

What part of it specifically offended you? Was it the part calling for republicans and unionists to try to offer gestures of friendship to each other, to reach out and respect their neighbours? Was it the part asking for people to fight against racism and other forms of discrimination especially sexism and sexual preferences.

...And Justice

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well he could have kept his commentary to that of the man being buried rather than getting obviously party political.

Why? McGuinness dedicated his life to Sinn Fein, so why wouldn't it have been different?

My name is URL

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well he could have kept his commentary to that of the man being buried rather than getting obviously party political.

I think he should have stopped earlier too fwiw. I wasn't expecting him to though

Adams isn't exactly famous for knowing when to shut up at the best of times.

As for it being party political, well why wouldn't it be? If it was a leader of any other party do you think no mention would be made of it by the person selected to giver an oration?

FrancieBrady

Did he say they were friends for 47 years? That's a long time, difficult day for him. I always got the feeling Adams was advised a lot by McGuinness. Two very different temperaments. Will be interesting to see how Adams performs without him.

Nidgeweasel

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did he say they were friends for 47 years? That's a long time, difficult day for him. I always got the feeling Adams was advised a lot by McGuinness. Two very different temperaments. Will be interesting to see how Adams performs without him.

45. Long time. Must be incredibly hard.

A Dub in Glasgo

...And Justice

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Amazing picture, just goes to show how much he was thought of and obviously the public weren't behind closed doors with those who have brought peace to the north. Bill Clinton knows how much McGuinness and others contributed to that because he was there.

Respect.

munsterlegend

...And Justice wrote: »

Amazing picture, just goes to show how much he was thought of and obviously the public weren't behind closed doors with those who have brought peace to the north. Bill Clinton knows how much McGuinness and others contributed to that because he was there.

Respect.

The fact Clinton came all the way over for his funeral speaks volumes of his respect for him and the esteem he held him in. Its time for the Unionist community to reciprocate the respect the nationalist community showed Arlene today.

Today may the the start of true parity of esteem up north.

DrWu

Well done to Arlene, I know I couldn't have done it.

Kristopherus

munsterlegend wrote: »

The fact Clinton came all the way over for his funeral speaks volumes of his respect for him and the esteem he held him in. Its time for the Unionist community to reciprocate the respect the nationalist community showed Arlene today.

Today may the the start of true parity of esteem up north.

I doubt it. A.F is a hardliner behind all her rhetoric. Can't see her mellowing any time soon what with all the hawks sitting behind her in Stormont. Still I hope I'm wrong .......

CinderKone

anyone know what music was being played as the coffin was being carried from the church? It was a familiar air that i just can't quite place?

Noddyholder

DrWu wrote: »

Well done to Arlene, I know I couldn't have done it.

While I respect your views & opinion , & think I know were you coming from, Surely the amount of folks from all walks of life that paid there respects says something of the man,

Even PSNI Chief Constable George Hamilton was among the mourners. Who's organisation was in the front line & lost many member's , Surely if he can show solidarity & respect others can ?

Dyr

DrWu wrote: »

Well done to Arlene, I know I couldn't have done it.

No one care's what you couldn't have done though, "miserable skidmark from internet attends funeral" was never going to be a headline.

nacho libre

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did he say they were friends for 47 years? That's a long time, difficult day for him. I always got the feeling Adams was advised a lot by McGuinness. Two very different temperaments. Will be interesting to see how Adams performs without him.

It seems he leans on Mary Lou too these days. Martin McGuinness it seems was well liked, even by though he met who might have preferred to dislike him.
The same cannot be said for Gerry Adams. He seems to be not as personable .

However, as Bill alluded to in his joke, it must be tough on him after 45 years to process that he won't be seeing his friend Martin McGuinness again, all the more so given that he did not get to the hospital in time before he passed.

Jayop

Noddyholder wrote: »

While I respect your views & opinion , & think I know were you coming from, Surely the amount of folks from all walks of life that paid there respects says something of the man,

Even PSNI Chief Constable George Hamilton was among the mourners. Who's organisation was in the front line & lost many member's , Surely if he can show solidarity & respect others can ?

Only 2 PSNI oficers, (Constables Kerr and Carroll) as far as I can remember have been murdered, neither by the IRA but both by dissos with no association to SF or McGuinness other than to threaten him too.

Thankfully the RUC doesn't exist and Hamilton wasn't representing them.

munsterlegend

CinderKone wrote: »

anyone know what music was being played as the coffin was being carried from the church? It was a familiar air that i just can't quite place?

Mo Ghile mear I think is the one you are referring to.

FrancieBrady

CinderKone wrote: »

anyone know what music was being played as the coffin was being carried from the church? It was a familiar air that i just can't quite place?

A Dub in Glasgo

Well done Christy, lovely song

https://twitter.com/DeborahMcAleese/status/844988033594220545

Muff Richardson

Bambi wrote: »

No one care's what you couldn't have done though, "miserable skidmark from internet attends funeral" was never going to be a headline.

:D:D

Dyr

Photographer gets kudos for catching this moment, you couldn't have posed it better. The two leaders reaching past Adams and Robinson to shake hands with Kenny walking off and Clinton staring at his empty hand

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[Deleted User]

Mairia Cahill on Martin McGuinness today:

a likeable man who did some despicable things in the first half of his life and who redeemed himself somewhat during the latter part

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mcguinness-acted-disgracefully-over-rape-allegation-says-cahill-1.3022465

Now considering that her 'Uncle Joe' (Joe Cahill) was head of the Belfast Brigade of the IRA and later its Chief of Staff round the time MMcG was doing 'despicable things' you just wonder about her consistency re her attitudes to the IRA, those in it, and the Troubles when she wrote this loving stuff about 'Uncle Joe' back in 2004:

Lifelong republican, committed to struggle, IRA leader, supporter of the Peace Process, Honourary Vice President of Sinn Féin. I have heard Joe Cahill quoted as being all of the above, and he was, but most importantly to me, he was 'Uncle Joe', and I loved him. I found him to be witty, strong, yet gentle, grumpy yet hilarious, and he was loving. He was a role model as a republican to thousands, and he was a role model to me in terms of the way I want to live my life.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/12061

citytillidie

Maybe just maybe we might get the bright brand new day

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OldMrBrennan83

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...And Justice

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mairia Cahill on Martin McGuinness today:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mcguinness-acted-disgracefully-over-rape-allegation-says-cahill-1.3022465

Now considering that her 'Uncle Joe' (Joe Cahill) was head of the Belfast Brigade of the IRA and later its Chief of Staff round the time MMcG was doing 'despicable things' you just wonder about her consistency re her attitudes to the IRA, those in it, and the Troubles when she wrote this loving stuff about 'Uncle Joe' back in 2004:

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/12061

She's a media whore that was taken out of the limelight by those that presented her as opposition to Sinn Fein. She was dropped like a hot snot. If she had credibility she'd be continually pushed by those the brought her to the fore.

please helpThank YOU

Bambi wrote: »

Photographer gets kudos for catching this moment, you couldn't have posed it better. The two leaders reaching past Adams and Robinson to shake hands with Kenny walking off and Clinton staring at his empty hand

Enda ?

Jayop

Ah it's an awful pity that priest is there between Gerry and Enda. You could imagine Gerry trying to get a rise out of him, nipping the back of his legs and whatnot.

Jayop

Patww79 wrote: »

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You don't think symbolic gestures are important?

If not then quite simply you're wrong.

EagererBeaver

...And Justice wrote: »

She's a media whore that was taken out of the limelight by those that presented her as opposition to Sinn Fein. She was dropped like a hot snot. If she had credibility she'd be continually pushed by those the brought her to the fore.

You surely understand her issue with Sinn Fein and its. leadership though. What she was subjected to was horrific and inexcusable.