Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.
ceadaoin. wrote: » In what way is it not consistent? Plenty of people have committed murder, even serial killings and later been found to be perfectly sane. Being a murderer does not automatically make a person insane and it only seems to be for these kind of attacks that people suggest it does.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You said he wanted the opportunity to kill and maim as many as possible. Why did he pick one of the most policed parts of London then? If the Houses were his 'target' why draw attention to himself before even getting there. It has all the hallmarks of a rather desperate, ill thought out rampage. Sad and tragic as it was.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You said he wanted the opportunity to kill and maim as many as possible. Why did he pick one of the most policed parts of London then? If the Houses were his 'target' why draw attention to himself before even getting there. It has all the hallmarks of a rather desperate, ill thought out rampage. Sad and tragic as it was. Being scared and scaremongering are two different things.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Widdershins wrote: » The Mad vs Bad debate. Don't conflate mental illness with jihadism. A p.s to Francie: How long do you think it takes for someone to work up the nerve to proceed with an attack, in the knowledge that they will die for it? I didn't conflate anything. His actions were not consistent with those of a sane person. It's not an excuse, reason or justification. It's just a fact.
Widdershins wrote: » The Mad vs Bad debate. Don't conflate mental illness with jihadism. A p.s to Francie: How long do you think it takes for someone to work up the nerve to proceed with an attack, in the knowledge that they will die for it?
robinph wrote: » Even if he didn't know London particularly well, there are plenty of easier to drive through areas with bigger crowds and less armed police and less traffic bollard obstructions but just as high profile within half a mile of parliament. The guy didn't even get more than a stones throw into the parliament complex before being taken down, and a rather half hearted stones throw at that. If getting in there was his aim then why would he crash a car into the fence around the corner first to alert them to his presence?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » How the courts view his behaviour is a different matter. The fact remains that his behaviour was not that of a sane person. He was most obviously insane at the time of the attack. 'Insane' definition: exhibiting a severely disordered state of mind, unable to think in a clear or sensible way.
Widdershins wrote: » Because he definitely wouldn't manage to carry out any killings AFTER the houses of Parliament, Francie. No guarantee he would have gotten far into them, unimpeded. Of course you might do it differently, or think you would, from your armchair.
ceadaoin. wrote: » How do you know what his thinking or state of mind was at the time? It's possible for someone to want to kill and injure people and still be thinking clearly. Has it been confirmed that he hired the car? If so he was sufficiently clear minded and capable of social interaction to do that without raising alarm. He was capable of making his way to central London without drawing attention to himself by driving erratically etc. Some people are just scumbags
Snake Plisken wrote: » well this would be a Europe wide operation, how come nearly every attack that happens in Europe the scum that carry out the attack has been know to the authorities? Also European armies and police need to break up these so called ghettos and no go zones in France Belgium, Sweden etc. It would be great if this happened and some of the countries had the balls to do it but as we know from experience they won't!
The Backwards Man wrote: » Attacker named as Khalid Masood, born in Kent, sounds like your average common or garden variety scumbag with a string of previous convictions, none of them terror related. Reminds me of a neighbour of my own that went on a similar rampage on the Dutch/German border a couple of years ago, luckily the only person he managed to kill was himself.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Jesus H. YOU SAID his target was the HOP. Why would he alert police that he was coming by causing mayhem in the next street? It was a random, incompetent, rather desperate attack, no matter how you look at it. And less of the invective please.
Widdershins wrote: » Now you've to decide how logical and intelligent and how good of a forward planner you expect him to have been while at the same time asserting that he was insane.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I have no idea what he was thinking but I do know that his thinking was not sane. Here's another definition: 'Sane' - Having or showing reason, sound judgment, or good sense. Tell me, do you consider his actions to show reason, sound judgement or good sense?
ScumLord wrote: » I think it's pretty clear that's not what's being said. It's one or the other, not both.
CoolHandBandit wrote: » Ah I see the "mentally I'll" angle is being trotted out yet again.
Widdershins wrote: » Either mad or incompetent (either way, insignificant)? Well the first is for deflection and the second is debatable.
Widdershins wrote: » I think you're holding the man to unreasonable standards. He's both ''insane'' and expected to be the perfect military strategist at the same time.
Widdershins wrote: » Less of what invective? Please point it out? Apart from where you say ''Jesus H.'' The idea I imagine was either impromptu or to ensure he did kill people even if he failed with the main target. Now you've to decide how logical and intelligent and how good of a forward planner you expect him to have been while at the same time asserting that he was insane. Or just accept you're not a mindreader and we can only guess at his reasons for taking the route and action he took.
robinph wrote: » Don't know about the insane part, but it really doesn't take much thought to come up with a better plan for an attack than driving across a bridge footpath, crashing into a concrete wall, running round a corner and then only making it 5 meters past the car park gate police. A quick look at Google Street view would tell you that you are approaching from the wrong direction.
Widdershins wrote: » Crashing into human beings (an achievement to his mind)
FrancieBrady wrote: » I didn't assert he was 'insane'. I asserted his attack was rather desperate and you have confirmed it. Insinuating I was sitting in an armchair in an an attempt to demean my argument I consider 'invective' Jesus H was merely an attempt to show exasperation that you couldn't grasp the point.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Are you not reading his mind now? Maybe he inadvertently crashed the car and was trying to escape?
Hank Scorpio wrote: » I'd say the only people with mental issues are the ones calling attacks like this ineffective and trying to brush it off. Incredibly insulting to the victims. Hundreds dead in Europe since Dec 2015 from radical Islamic terrorism, fact.
