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Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.

http://news.sky.com/story/gunshots-heard-outside-parliament-10810680

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donkeykong5

selwyn froggitt wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yes they have. Many have moved to Norfolk. Have you seen the state of Luton recently ?

What? Luton is in Bedfordshire the last time I looked

Duh. Obviously I know that. I was just commenting on the state of it. Similar now to oval .stockwell. brixton. Croydon. And Peckham.

OWinter

FrancieBrady wrote: »

RIRA, Eirigí paying 'tribute' to Martin McGuinness? Seriously????

I know seems funny but that was my first thought especially with Parliament and police being targets

Noddyholder

ScumLord wrote: »

The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.

I suppose it is very hard to take in that there are people among us who hate us, hate the way we live, the way we dress, they hate everything about us, Its easier just to say they are nut jobs & maybe /hopefully they have mental issues.

I don't think they have mental issues at all, I think they are very well organised & very well committed to what they themselves believe in & will die for, or go onto serve very lengthy jail sentences.

I also think western society has been lucky, in that they haven't succeeded in a another type 9/11 attack, But they only have to be lucky once we have to be lucky all the time.

ohnonotgmail

OWinter wrote: »

I know seems funny but that was my first thought especially with Parliament and police being targets

Funny? its bloody hilarious.

Noddyholder

OWinter wrote: »

My first thoughts when this happened was that it could be a possible RIRA or Eirigi tribute to the Late Martin McGuiness - glad I was wrong

RIP to the victims

They be celebrating MmcG death.

OWinter

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Funny? its bloody hilarious.

I obviously see nothing funny about the attack was more commenting on possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

FrancieBrady

OWinter wrote: »

I know seems funny but that was my first thought especially with Parliament and police being targets

It's not funny, it's a ludicrous idea to have. Some of them would have cheerfully taken McGuinness out.

[Deleted User]

OWinter wrote: »

I obviously see nothing funny about the attack was more commenting on possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

The vending machine was out of Snickers earlier, obviously my first thought was possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

ohnonotgmail

OWinter wrote: »

I obviously see nothing funny about the attack was more commenting on possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

The hilarious bit is that the first thing you thought of was Eirigi and RIRA.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

The vending machine was out of Snickers earlier, obviously my first thought was possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

Choccy ar la?

seachto7

ScumLord wrote: »

The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.

That's the usual excuse....

Widdershins

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am denying that it was a 'major' attack, or anything like it.

The very fact that somebody failed today shows how lucky the guy was yesterday and how desperate it was.

If you listened to people on here about the size of this threat, how come we are not seeing this happening every hour? How hard is it to drive a car into the centre of a city and up onto a footpath?

4 dead and that could rise. 29 injured; seven of those, critically. And at that, the death toll and number of wounded is not yet higher purely because of the level of alertness of the security services and the actions of first responders. If intelligence fails them in future you have to wonder how many attacks might happen, be they ''major'' by your standards or 'only' killing or wounding 33 people and costing the state god knows how much. Do you expect this level of alert and intelligence work to continue to prove adequate, indefinitely?

You ask why there weren't more attacks like it if the will was there? Ignoring the attempts the intelligence services managed to disrupt, Could it be because of the armed security presence, by a any chance?

FrancieBrady

Widdershins wrote: »

Do you expect this level of alert and intelligence work to continue to prove adequate, indefinitely?

Yes, it certainly looks like it will.
As everybody as said, there is little you can do with these random attacks only react.

You ask why there weren't more attacks like it if the will was there? Could it be because of the armed security presence, by a any chance?

Why would that bother somebody who expects and wants to die?

If somebody could give me a rational explanation for the absence of many many more low level attacks from the millions and millions of Muslims baying at the leash to over run western civilisation, that would be good.

Widdershins

ScumLord wrote: »

The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.

It's not typical behaviour from nervous breakdown sufferers,

Widdershins

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, it certainly looks like it will.
As everybody as said, there is little you can do with these random attacks only react.

Why would that bother somebody who expects and wants to die?

If somebody could give me a rational explanation for the absence of many many more low level attacks from the millions and millions of Muslims baying at the leash to over run western civilisation, that would be good.

Looks like it,how? Optimism?

It would be an issue for someone who wants the opportunity to kill and maim before they die, clearly.

You're entirely impervious to rational explanations.

The Backwards Man

Attacker named as Khalid Masood, born in Kent, sounds like your average common or garden variety scumbag with a string of previous convictions, none of them terror related. Reminds me of a neighbour of my own that went on a similar rampage on the Dutch/German border a couple of years ago, luckily the only person he managed to kill was himself.

Professor Moriarty

Widdershins wrote: »

It's not typical behaviour from nervous breakdown sufferers,

It's not typical behaviour from sane people either.

FrancieBrady

Widdershins wrote: »

Looks like it,how? Optimism?

No. The clear evidence that they no longer have the ability/organisation to mount coordinated attacks.
The appeals for low level attacks that are obviously falling on a very limited amount of ears.

It would be an issue for someone who wants the opportunity to kill and maim before they die, clearly.

You're entirely impervious to rational explanations.

So why did the guy attack one of the most policed places in London? Why didn't he go to one of these rural towns somebody mentioned earlier?

There is nothing rational about scaremongering.

Widdershins

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's not typical behaviour from sane people either.

The Mad vs Bad debate.

Don't conflate mental illness with jihadism.

A p.s to Francie: How long do you think it takes for someone to work up the nerve to proceed with an attack, in the knowledge that they will die for it?

ScumLord

Noddyholder wrote: »

I don't think they have mental issues at all, I think they are very well organised & very well committed to what they themselves believe in & will die for, or go onto serve very lengthy jail sentences.

You're taking what I said out of context. I'm not saying all extremists have mental health issues, just that this guy might. The attack was uncoordinated, it did no real damage to any public property or infrastructure, while any people dying is awful this isn't on a par with any major attack where dozens of people died. When you compare it to 911 or the London bombings it's extremely amateurish.

Maybe this was a sanctioned attack, but if this is the best they're capable of they don't pose any major threat to the western democracies. Any ISIS wannabe that see's this attack will see him getting shot within minutes of starting his attack and it being pretty ineffective. London will mourn these people and carry on, a train strike would cause more mayhem than this attack did.

If this was a sanctioned attack it's hard to see it as anything but a complete failure.

BattleCorp

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Attacker named as Khalid Masood, born in Kent, sounds like your average common or garden variety scumbag with a string of previous convictions, none of them terror related. Reminds me of a neighbour of my own that went on a similar rampage on the Dutch/German border a couple of years ago, luckily the only person he managed to kill was himself.

Maybe martyrdom is his equivalent of going to confession to atone/get forgiveness for past sins?

Widdershins

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No. The clear evidence that they no longer have the ability/organisation to mount coordinated attacks.
The appeals for low level attacks that are obviously falling on a very limited amount of ears.

So why did the guy attack one of the most policed places in London? Why didn't he go to one of these rural towns somebody mentioned earlier?

There is nothing rational about scaremongering.

Targets. The houses of parliament.

Who's scared?

FrancieBrady

Widdershins wrote: »

A p.s to Francie: How long do you think it takes for someone to work up the nerve to proceed with an attack, in the knowledge that they will die for it?

How long is a piece of string?

The Backwards Man

BattleCorp wrote: »

Maybe martyrdom is his equivalent of going to confession to atone/get forgiveness for past sins?

Na, just another cowardly murdering scumbag in my book.

Skullface McGubbin

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There was an attack in Hell's Kitchen during the week too that fell under of the radar of our more concerned critics of radical terrorism in all its guises

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/suspect-midtown-knife-killing-surrenders-cops-article-1.3005263

I wonder why

>sees thread about terrorist attack in Europe by someone who was possibly motivated by radical Islam

>"hey guys, check out this fukking white male over in America who stabbed some black guy. Why aren't you islamophobes talking about that? I guess that means you guys are probably okay with that happening and you're probably white supremacists too."

Because that incident had nowhere near as much coverage from major news outlets in comparison to the London attack so critics of islam might not have known or heard about it.
Plus, a terrorist attack (one after many) on our own continent is more relevant & closer to home than some unrelated incident on the other side of the Atlantic. This is the first time I've heard about the incident you linked to.

If you really care about what happened in the USA then start your own feckin' thread about it.

FrancieBrady

Widdershins wrote: »

Targets. The houses of parliament.

You said he wanted the opportunity to kill and maim as many as possible. Why did he pick one of the most policed parts of London then?
If the Houses were his 'target' why draw attention to himself before even getting there.

It has all the hallmarks of a rather desperate, ill thought out rampage. Sad and tragic as it was.

Who's scared?

Being scared and scaremongering are two different things.

donkeykong5

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Widdershins wrote: »

Looks like it,how? Optimism?

No. The clear evidence that they no longer have the ability/organisation to mount coordinated attacks.
The appeals for low level attacks that are obviously falling on a very limited amount of ears.

It would be an issue for someone who wants the opportunity to kill and maim before they die, clearly.

You're entirely impervious to rational explanations.

So why did the guy attack one of the most policed places in London? Why didn't he go to one of these rural towns somebody mentioned earlier?

There is nothing rational about scaremongering.

Attention seeking up to the last minute. He will rot in hell.

Professor Moriarty

Widdershins wrote: »

The Mad vs Bad debate.

Don't conflate mental illness with jihadism.

A p.s to Francie: How long do you think it takes for someone to work up the nerve to proceed with an attack, in the knowledge that they will die for it?

I didn't conflate anything. His actions were not consistent with those of a sane person. It's not an excuse, reason or justification. It's just a fact.

seachto7

I don't agree with everything in this video, but food for thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54TKESUoLU&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

ceadaoin.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I didn't conflate anything. His actions were not consistent with those of a sane person. It's not an excuse, reason or justification. It's just a fact.

In what way is it not consistent? Plenty of people have committed murder, even serial killings and later been found to be perfectly sane. Being a murderer does not automatically make a person insane and it only seems to be for these kind of attacks that people suggest it does.