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Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.

http://news.sky.com/story/gunshots-heard-outside-parliament-10810680

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Thomas__

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

That is not what I said, but as you´re admitting your right-wing mindset, one can easily assume what aspects for your way of argumentation you´ll bring up along the discussion. I have read and heard enough of that sort of arguments and they don´t have the best solution at all, cos they are as one-sided like their counterparts.

fair enough but I'm not going to hide my political views. but they dont mean I'm just shouting ''ban all muslims'' like some on the right. Watch the sam harris video I posted, theres no racism just some questions asked about islam, and I feel it represents what I'm saying far more eloquently than I have the ability to express.

Thanks but no thanks cos I have no need for this and I have made up mind on that subject long ago. Either you win the majority of the Muslims to our side or things will only get worse. I know how cunny some far-right and right-wing propagandists are and frankly, they just make me sick. I have nothing but contempt for them, same way as I have nothing but contempt for any sort of extremists, may they be of any politically or religiously creed. I condemn them all, cos they are all enemies of the freedom and peace of mankind.

seachto7

Looks like Robinson was right yesterday. Terrorist was British born, but he got slated straight away online for saying it. There's some keyboard warrior challenging him to a fight now...

Depp

wes wrote: »

Except no one said that. Your just proving my point.

wes wrote: »

the right has a terror problem of there own, and imho aren't really morally in a position to judge the Muslim community or the left in regards to there response to terror

thats exactly what you're saying here...the right have a problem so we cant criticize...this is saying explcitly that certain elements on the right represent them all so they all should shut up...thanks for proving mine!

The_Kew_Tour

We need zero tolerance.

Thats all that needed.

You spill hate then you and your family are deported. No Ifs or crying. You get proper screened and tighter control of our borders.

Muslims are welcome and any foreign national should.

But I walked around Cork City this morning doing shopping and every corner you see people who are not going to help our society and its not just Muslims either.

Yes we have plenty of our own, but other counteies have the common sense to deport Irish when they aint helping their society.

Thomas__

wes wrote: »

Depp wrote: »

so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then?

Well, seeing as the right, have a terror problem of there own, with the likes of the attack in Canada, Norway, Germany ( which was ignored for years) (also more recent attacks on refugees as well) and the Brexit terrorist in the UK last year, multiple fire bombings of Mosques in the US, white supremacist attacks on Sikhs and African Americans in the US and that is just the stuff off the top of my head.

Then, the complete denial in regards to it. I remember the thread on the Iranian white supremacist attacker, that suddenly died, once it was revealed he wasn't an Islamic extermist, but rather a Brevik fan boy.

They don't really have a leg to stand on morally imho.

Well said and thanks for that. It was time someone come up with all that.

Demoliter

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Muslims are welcome and any foreign national should.

Steady on.

Depp

wes wrote: »

I didn't offer any such judgement.

Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the right, when it comes to terror from within there own ranks. Plenty of the right happy to blame Muslims in general, while ignoring or down playing terror, from there own extremists. Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology.

Did I blame all muslims though I'm confused?

Look at my post a few pages ago

Depp wrote: »

If a christian does something and claims christianity. They are evil and wrong.
If a muslim does something and claims islam. They are evil and wrong.
If an atheist does something and claims he felt like it he is evil and wrong.

What point are you even trying to make here? Christianity was bad so we should fucking leave them at it?

I condemn christian and islam terrorists with the same fervour but im right wing I dont have the moral authority right?

[Deleted User]

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We need zero tolerance.

Thats all that needed.

You spill hate then you and your family are deported. No Ifs or crying. You get proper screened and tighter control of our borders.

Muslims are welcome and any foreign national should.

But I walked around Cork City this morning doing shopping and every corner you see people who are not going to help our society and its not just Muslims either.

Yes we have plenty of our own, but other counteies have the common sense to deport Irish when they aint helping their society.

... but ... what if they are British born or Irish born? Where are you going to deport them to then?

The_Kew_Tour

Demoliter wrote: »

Steady on.

If they are going to be good, work, and live on peace I dont have a problem.

Of course we cant just open borders like we are doing at minute.

Im all for free travel in EU but if you dont have a job within 3 months you should be sent back. I would only have free travel for Holidays and not permenent stay

The_Kew_Tour

[Deleted User] wrote: »

... but ... what if they are British born or Irish born? Where are you going to deport them to then?

Lets get one thing straight. The very high vast majority aint. Not yet anyway. Our own problems have always neen there. Buts thats another discussion

Thomas__

I recommend to read what´s on the posters in (the pictures of) this article. It is most important for our times.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/23/timothy-snyder-on-tyranny-posters-east-london-entire-text

Demoliter

It's easy being a boards.ie poster in a warm comfy office in an IT or public service job, pontificating and moralizing to the rest of us about how we are wrong to be angry with what has happened, and in particular, the ideology that inspired it.

Parchment

Demoliter wrote: »

It's easy being a boards.ie poster in a warm comfy office in an IT or public service job, pontificating and moralizing to the rest of us about how we are wrong to be angry with what has happened, and in particular, the ideology that inspired it.

This is messed up. What was done is wrong on the most fundamental level.

Thomas__

Depp wrote: »

wes wrote: »

I didn't offer any such judgement.

Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the right, when it comes to terror from within there own ranks. Plenty of the right happy to blame Muslims in general, while ignoring or down playing terror, from there own extremists. Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology.

Did I blame all muslims though I'm confused?

Look at my post a few pages ago

Depp wrote: »

If a christian does something and claims christianity. They are evil and wrong.
If a muslim does something and claims islam. They are evil and wrong.
If an atheist does something and claims he felt like it he is evil and wrong.

What point are you even trying to make here? Christianity was bad so we should fucking leave them at it?

I condemn christian and islam terrorists with the same fervour but im right wing I dont have the moral authority right?

If you don´t have the need to condemn far-right and right-wing terrorism, well, then you are not just lacking the moral authority, but you´re acting the hypocrite which - in the end - is the same.

Depp

Thomas__ wrote: »

If you don´t have the need to condemn far-right and right-wing terrorism, well, then you are not just lacking the moral authority, but you´re acting the hypocrite which - in the end - is the same.

I do condemn it though whats your point? Do the entirety of the right represent me by virtue of me being on the right?

They don't.

Depp

Thomas__ wrote: »

Thanks but no thanks cos I have no need for this and I have made up mind on that subject long ago. Either you win the majority of the Muslims to our side or things will only get worse. I know how cunny some far-right and right-wing propagandists are and frankly, they just make me sick. I have nothing but contempt for them, same way as I have nothing but contempt for any sort of extremists, may they be of any politically or religiously creed. I condemn them all, cos they are all enemies of the freedom and peace of mankind.

sorry missed this post but are you actually saying Sam Harris is a far-right propagandist? christ ive literally heard it all in this thread

:D:D

robinph

wes wrote: »

Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology.

...and how many people here have visited London or Canada, worked there, have relatives there, walked across the bridge or through the tube station and watch the TV news channels from there.

The nearer to home the story is the more interested people will be in it and the more they will have to say on the matter. Not really a fair comparison based on number of pages on a thread in After Hours.

ohnonotgmail

robinph wrote: »

...and how many people here have visited London or Canada, worked there, have relatives there, walked across the bridge or through the tube station and watch the TV news channels from there.

The nearer to home the story is the more interested people will be in it and the more they will have to say on the matter. Not really a fair comparison based on number of pages on a thread in After Hours.

the thread was very active up until the point it was revealed he wasnt a muslim terrorist as the usual suspects had assumed. then it went quiet. very quiet.

Billy86

Depp wrote: »

I condemn christian and islam terrorists with the same fervour but im right wing I dont have the moral authority right?

Did you come on and condemn the Quebec attack a few weeks ago?

Richard Hillman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

... but ... what if they are British born or Irish born? Where are you going to deport them to then?

Incidentally, Germany are deporting some of their own home grown. Although they need to be joint nationality.

https://www.rt.com/news/381810-germany-deports-isis-suspects/

FrancieBrady

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Lets get one thing straight. The very high vast majority aint. Not yet anyway. Our own problems have always neen there. Buts thats another discussion

But it is the very clear and present problem the UK has. That these acts are carried out by it's own citizens.

Deporting it away somewhere else is not going to solve it.

Depp

Billy86 wrote: »

Did you come on and condemn the Quebec attack a few weeks ago?

not on boards but I did elsewhere whats your point? just cause I only comment on an event on here that happened less than 600km from my house I have no right to say anything?

Thomas__

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

If you don´t have the need to condemn far-right and right-wing terrorism, well, then you are not just lacking the moral authority, but you´re acting the hypocrite which - in the end - is the same.

I do condemn it though whats your point? Do the entirety of the right represent me by virtue of me being on the right?
They don't.

Do the entire Muslim community deserve to be lumped together with the radical islamists? You might give the answer to that yourself. Well, in your case you said, they don´t. So?

Depp

Thomas__ wrote: »

Do the entire Muslim community deserve to be lumped together with the radical islamists? You might give the answer to that yourself. Well, in your case you said, they don´t. So?

No they don't, that has been my point all along? have you read my posts?

Thomas__

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

Thanks but no thanks cos I have no need for this and I have made up mind on that subject long ago. Either you win the majority of the Muslims to our side or things will only get worse. I know how cunny some far-right and right-wing propagandists are and frankly, they just make me sick. I have nothing but contempt for them, same way as I have nothing but contempt for any sort of extremists, may they be of any politically or religiously creed. I condemn them all, cos they are all enemies of the freedom and peace of mankind.

sorry missed this post but are you actually saying Sam Harris is a far-right propagandist? christ ive literally heard it all in this thread :D:D

The title of the video is supposed to say it all in one line.

Thomas__

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

Do the entire Muslim community deserve to be lumped together with the radical islamists? You might give the answer to that yourself. Well, in your case you said, they don´t. So?

No they don't, that has been my point all along? have you read my posts?

Have you read mine? We´re already in playing the silly game of deliberately misunderstanding each others post. What you can do, I can do as well. But what is clear to see is that you´ve some "agenda against Muslims" and I don´t have that. I have an agenda against all extremists, right, left, religious or otherwise, no matter what religion, creed or anything they associate themselves with.

Depp

Thomas__ wrote: »

The title of the video is supposed to say it all in one line.

Do you have any idea who Sam Harris is no? To call the man a far right propagandist or anything of the sort is completely ludicrous.

CiDeRmAn

Why should one extremist scumbag, now deceased, and his actions in turn make British citizens who happen to be Muslim become people to be suspicious of, people to be "banned" in some way?
The perpetrator does not in any way reflect mainstream Islam and his objective was to drive a wedge between the population of London and Britain as a whole, to create division and further breakdown the common bond between all those citizens.
The perpetrator didn't pause to check if the people he was driving into were believers in Islam or not, because he just wanted to create terror and change the nature of the society he was attacking.
And, look at the greatest loss of life due to Islamic Terrorism, it's in Muslim countries, Iraq, Turkey, Pakistan, they still bear the brunt of these attacks, because it's those attempts to create an outward looking, democratic modern state that engenders the most hate.

[Deleted User]

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Lets get one thing straight. The very high vast majority aint. Not yet anyway. Our own problems have always neen there. Buts thats another discussion

But then you get the issue as to what you define as "spilling hate". One such poster here said that people should be sentenced to death (thus getting banned). Is that not spilling hate? Should they be deported? Does it only count if they are Muslim? What about the numerous posters here who have said some vile stuff? Shouldn't they be deported too?

I'm sure someone would come along and say, "hurpa durpa strawman hurpa durpa", but the point is that it's not a clear cut as people make it out to be.

Thomas__

Depp wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Did you come on and condemn the Quebec attack a few weeks ago?

not on boards but I did elsewhere whats your point? just cause I only comment on an event on here that happened less than 600km from my house I have no right to say anything?

Doesn´t count what you write elsewhere unless you post a link to those posts on other sites and identify yourself on here with the username you have over there. You´re considered by the very posts you write on here.