Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.
Depp wrote: » Thomas__ wrote: » If you don´t have the need to condemn far-right and right-wing terrorism, well, then you are not just lacking the moral authority, but you´re acting the hypocrite which - in the end - is the same. I do condemn it though whats your point? Do the entirety of the right represent me by virtue of me being on the right?They don't.
Thomas__ wrote: » If you don´t have the need to condemn far-right and right-wing terrorism, well, then you are not just lacking the moral authority, but you´re acting the hypocrite which - in the end - is the same.
Billy86 wrote: » Did you come on and condemn the Quebec attack a few weeks ago?
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Lets get one thing straight. The very high vast majority aint. Not yet anyway. Our own problems have always neen there. Buts thats another discussion
[Deleted User] wrote: » ... but ... what if they are British born or Irish born? Where are you going to deport them to then?
Depp wrote: » I condemn christian and islam terrorists with the same fervour but im right wing I dont have the moral authority right?
robinph wrote: » ...and how many people here have visited London or Canada, worked there, have relatives there, walked across the bridge or through the tube station and watch the TV news channels from there. The nearer to home the story is the more interested people will be in it and the more they will have to say on the matter. Not really a fair comparison based on number of pages on a thread in After Hours.
wes wrote: » Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology.
Thomas__ wrote: » Thanks but no thanks cos I have no need for this and I have made up mind on that subject long ago. Either you win the majority of the Muslims to our side or things will only get worse. I know how cunny some far-right and right-wing propagandists are and frankly, they just make me sick. I have nothing but contempt for them, same way as I have nothing but contempt for any sort of extremists, may they be of any politically or religiously creed. I condemn them all, cos they are all enemies of the freedom and peace of mankind.
Depp wrote: » wes wrote: » I didn't offer any such judgement. Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the right, when it comes to terror from within there own ranks. Plenty of the right happy to blame Muslims in general, while ignoring or down playing terror, from there own extremists. Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology. Did I blame all muslims though I'm confused? Look at my post a few pages ago Depp wrote: » If a christian does something and claims christianity. They are evil and wrong. If a muslim does something and claims islam. They are evil and wrong. If an atheist does something and claims he felt like it he is evil and wrong. What point are you even trying to make here? Christianity was bad so we should fucking leave them at it? I condemn christian and islam terrorists with the same fervour but im right wing I dont have the moral authority right?
wes wrote: » I didn't offer any such judgement. Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the right, when it comes to terror from within there own ranks. Plenty of the right happy to blame Muslims in general, while ignoring or down playing terror, from there own extremists. Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology.
Depp wrote: » If a christian does something and claims christianity. They are evil and wrong. If a muslim does something and claims islam. They are evil and wrong. If an atheist does something and claims he felt like it he is evil and wrong. What point are you even trying to make here? Christianity was bad so we should fucking leave them at it?
Demoliter wrote: » It's easy being a boards.ie poster in a warm comfy office in an IT or public service job, pontificating and moralizing to the rest of us about how we are wrong to be angry with what has happened, and in particular, the ideology that inspired it.
Demoliter wrote: » Steady on.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » We need zero tolerance. Thats all that needed. You spill hate then you and your family are deported. No Ifs or crying. You get proper screened and tighter control of our borders. Muslims are welcome and any foreign national should. But I walked around Cork City this morning doing shopping and every corner you see people who are not going to help our society and its not just Muslims either. Yes we have plenty of our own, but other counteies have the common sense to deport Irish when they aint helping their society.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Muslims are welcome and any foreign national should.
wes wrote: » Depp wrote: » so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then? Well, seeing as the right, have a terror problem of there own, with the likes of the attack in Canada, Norway, Germany ( which was ignored for years) (also more recent attacks on refugees as well) and the Brexit terrorist in the UK last year, multiple fire bombings of Mosques in the US, white supremacist attacks on Sikhs and African Americans in the US and that is just the stuff off the top of my head. Then, the complete denial in regards to it. I remember the thread on the Iranian white supremacist attacker, that suddenly died, once it was revealed he wasn't an Islamic extermist, but rather a Brevik fan boy. They don't really have a leg to stand on morally imho.
Depp wrote: » so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then?
wes wrote: » Except no one said that. Your just proving my point.
wes wrote: » the right has a terror problem of there own, and imho aren't really morally in a position to judge the Muslim community or the left in regards to there response to terror
Depp wrote: » Thomas__ wrote: » That is not what I said, but as you´re admitting your right-wing mindset, one can easily assume what aspects for your way of argumentation you´ll bring up along the discussion. I have read and heard enough of that sort of arguments and they don´t have the best solution at all, cos they are as one-sided like their counterparts. fair enough but I'm not going to hide my political views. but they dont mean I'm just shouting ''ban all muslims'' like some on the right. Watch the sam harris video I posted, theres no racism just some questions asked about islam, and I feel it represents what I'm saying far more eloquently than I have the ability to express.
Thomas__ wrote: » That is not what I said, but as you´re admitting your right-wing mindset, one can easily assume what aspects for your way of argumentation you´ll bring up along the discussion. I have read and heard enough of that sort of arguments and they don´t have the best solution at all, cos they are as one-sided like their counterparts.
seachto7 wrote: » But you are in a position to judge the muslim community?
wes wrote: » I never said you were, just that the right has a terror problem of there own, and imho aren't really morally in a position to judge the Muslim community or the left in regards to there response to terror, considering how poor the right has been in regards to terror, coming from within there own ranks. Basically, I don't see the right practice what they preach, when they lecture the left of Muslims on how they should handle terror.
Depp wrote: » love how isis don't represent islam (which I agree with) but anders brevik etc. somehow represent the right wing! liberal logic :rolleyes:
Depp wrote: » theres a big difference between being right wing politically and being a white supremacist though isnt there? same as theres a big difference between moderate muslims and extremist muslims. but yeah go make sweeping generalisations. Im right wing I must be a fuming hate filled racist right?
Noddyholder wrote: » Don't think we would cope very well in any sort of attack... It is understood the man pulled the emergency brake causing the tram to stop suddenly, There were long delays for a time on the Red Line as a result of the incident, with many commuters posting their frustration on social media. From Rte link. Also imo an attack in Dublin be more from loyalists than isis at the present moment.
The Fake Sheikh wrote: » The hypocrisy is incredible.
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