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Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.

http://news.sky.com/story/gunshots-heard-outside-parliament-10810680

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wes

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Or the whole Catholic Church tarred with the same brush as the paedo priests... oh wait..

Catholic chuch is an organization, that covered that up. An equivalent would be Muslims and Catholics. It would be unfair to blame all Catholics on the actions of the church (many of whom were victims of there own church), however the church as an organization is a different story.

Billy86

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sorry, i didn't realise I was dealing with a Bruce Willis wannabe.

So drone strikes are gonna stop a guy hiring a car and buying a kitchen knife.

Excellent.

Unless Bruce is advocating wiping every Muslim of the face of the earth? hmmmm.

No no no, drone strikes randomly killing innocents you see Francie, that's the way to stop radical terror cells like ISIS from recruiting disillusioned people.

"You know, as a young and impressionable Syrian I wasn't very fond of the US and it's role in destabilising the part of the world I lived in. Islamic extremist groups would constantly use this as propaganda for their recruitment, and each and every time the west would would be involved in another incident, that propaganda would sound just a tiny bit more true and appealling. But then when the west blew my entire neighbourhood to pieces killing nearly everyone in it including the rest of my family in a drone strike... well you know, they're kind of alright."

Sounds totally realistic, right?

Professor Moriarty

biko wrote: »

To be honest, the political polarization [sic] is because of murders, bombings and rapes - all from one side towards the other.

Why does immigration work for all other groups in UK?
Sikhs, Jews, Irish, Polish, etc seems to integrate just fine.

What "sides" are you talking about? "Why does immigration work for all other groups in UK?"

Let's start with people's places of origin. Have the US, Britain and France been bombing the sh1t out of Israel, Poland, Ireland and India?

Depp

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Lineman seems to have become completely unhinged since Trump and Brexit happened , but typical of him not to condemn the attacker and focus on Robinson.

he seems do be following the standard far left playbook, ''defeat the evil racist'' while completely ignoring we have a genuine problem with radical islam in the west at the minute

Gringo180

Theres over 2 million Muslims in the UK. Around 5% of the population. The population in Europe is 44 million. If Islam was such a big problem as some are making it out to be Europe would be on fire and martial law would be declared over many countries. We just have to stop fanning the flames of an already volatile situation, ie bombing there countries banning there religous clothing, and all this rhetoric of having a ban/restrictions on Muslims entering countries in Europe.

Richard Hillman

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What "sides" are you talking about? "Why does immigration work for all other groups in UK?"

Let's start with people's places of origin. Have the US, Britain and France been bombing the sh1t out of Israel, Poland, Ireland and India?

No. Have they been blowing the sh1t out of Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh?

Depp

wes wrote: »

Did Robinson condemn the terror attack in Canada against Muslims, by a far right nutter? The far right are hardly in a position to claim any morale superitority considering there own terror attacks.

yes actually you'll find he did?

robinson gets very poorly treated imo...if you actually listen to the content of his speech he makes no points on race, he just has genuine concerns about the ideology of islam but like anyone that doesnt fit the pc narrative hes been villified as a racist in an attempt to shut him up. thankfully those tactics don't really work anymore and people are starting to listen.

FrancieBrady

Billy86 wrote: »

No no no, drone strikes randomly killing innocents you see Francie, that's the way to stop radical terror cells like ISIS from recruiting disillusioned people.

"You know, as a young and impressionable Syrian I wasn't very fond of the US and it's role in destabilising the part of the world I lived in. Islamic extremist groups would constantly use this as propaganda for their recruitment, and each and every time the west would would be involved in another incident, that propaganda would sound just a tiny bit more true and appealling. But then when the west blew my entire neighbourhood to pieces killing nearly everyone in it including the rest of my family in a drone strike... well you know, they're kind of alright."

Sounds totally realistic, right?

Richard Hillman is doing one thing massively right, he is reacting in exactly the way it was designed for him to react.

Win win for his most vaunted if nebulous enemy.

Atlantic Dawn

Theresa May has confirmed he was British born. The limited terrorist "skills" he showed yesterday could have been got simply from playing GTA IV on the PS3, he didn't even use a manual car.

seachto7

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Richard Hillman is doing one thing massively right, he is reacting in exactly the way it was designed for him to react.

Win win for his most vaunted if nebulous enemy.

And when people light candles and stand together in defiance of the enemy and campaign not to react in a kneejerk way, they still go and do it again anyway.

If their countries weren't bombed day in day out, would everything be rosey in the garden? I doubt it.

Professor Moriarty

Richard Hillman wrote: »

No. Have they been blowing the sh1t out of Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh?

Britain left the region known as 'Sudan" in terrible sh1t after colonisation. Saudi Arabia gets a free pass because of oil. Nigeria??? Bangladesh????

If you bomb the sh1t out of countries you will get a response. Tragically and wrongly but there it is.

wes

Depp wrote: »

yes actually you'll find he did?

Can't find. Care to provide a link?

What I found was this:

https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/826117149949313025

So no condemnation of the far right nutter, but rather one of the victims.

FrancieBrady

seachto7 wrote: »

And when people light candles and stand together in defiance of the enemy and campaign not to react in a kneejerk way, they still go and do it again anyway.

If their countries weren't bombed day in day out, would everything be rosey in the garden? I doubt it.

You think this is gonna be solved by people lighting candles?

That's like saying cancer will be cured if you repost a facebook status.

It's going to take much more than that.

Richard Hillman

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Richard Hillman is doing one thing massively right, he is reacting in exactly the way it was designed for him to react.

Win win for his most vaunted if nebulous enemy.

Hahaha that old chestnut "this is what they want". I thought that cliche was retired.

If you were ISIS and you wanted to build the Caliphate encompassing Europe, who would you rather lead Europe, Hitler or Merkel? Churchill or Corbyn? Stalin or Colm O'Gorman?

FrancieBrady

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Theresa May has confirmed he was British born. The limited terrorist "skills" he showed yesterday could have been got simply from playing GTA IV on the PS3, he didn't even use a manual car.

This guy's mindset will be closer to that of an American teenager, so disaffected that he opens fire with a machine gun in a school, than it is to that of ISIS.

seachto7

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You think this is gonna be solved by people lighting candles?

That's like saying cancer will be cured if you repost a facebook status.

It's going to take much more than that.

That's what I mean. I'm with you on it. In general, we don't take the bait in Europe, but they still do it again and again. It's hard to know what stand politicians should take apart from the obvious ones.

You need to kill the ideology. Waste of time carpet bombing the "caliphate"...

Thomas__

FrancieBrady wrote: »

seachto7 wrote: »

And when people light candles and stand together in defiance of the enemy and campaign not to react in a kneejerk way, they still go and do it again anyway.

If their countries weren't bombed day in day out, would everything be rosey in the garden? I doubt it.

You think this is gonna be solved by people lighting candles?

That's like saying cancer will be cured if you repost a facebook status.

It's going to take much more than that.

It already took and look where this all has led up to this day. A whole region destabilised.

FrancieBrady

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Hahaha that old chestnut "this is what they want". I thought that cliche was retired.

If you were ISIS and you wanted to build the Caliphate encompassing Europe, who would you rather lead Europe, Hitler or Merkel? Churchill or Corbyn? Stalin or Colm O'Gorman?

I thought your solution passed it's sell by date with the Crusades tbh.

I think anyone seriously considering a Caliphate encompassing Europe needs to seek some help.
And I mean those who think it is even the remotest possibility too. :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

seachto7 wrote: »

That's what I mean. I'm with you on it. In general, we don't take the bait in Europe, but they still do it again and again. It's hard to know what stand politicians should take apart from the obvious ones.

You need to kill the ideology. Waste of time carpet bombing the "caliphate"...

Whatever you do you are going to need the Muslim community on your side.
Never going to be solved otherwise.

Thomas__

Richard Hillman wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Richard Hillman is doing one thing massively right, he is reacting in exactly the way it was designed for him to react.

Win win for his most vaunted if nebulous enemy.

Hahaha that old chestnut "this is what they want". I thought that cliche was retired.

If you were ISIS and you wanted to build the Caliphate encompassing Europe, who would you rather lead Europe, Hitler or Merkel? Churchill or Corbyn? Stalin or Colm O'Gorman?

I have answered that question for myself by setting that part in bold in your post for whom I would be.

The Backwards Man

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Hahaha that old chestnut "this is what they want". I thought that cliche was retired.

If you were ISIS and you wanted to build the Caliphate encompassing Europe, who would you rather lead Europe, Hitler or Merkel? Churchill or Corbyn? Stalin or Colm O'Gorman?

I'd say ISIS are more than happy with reactions like yours, they don't care who leads, people like you are the real targets of terrorist attacks, not the innocent people that were murdered and maimed.

And the more people there are like you, the happier they will be. Extremists of all kinds are kindred spirits after all.

seachto7

Churchill carpet bombed Dresden. I'm not sure that's any different to what's going on now.

Depp

seachto7 wrote: »

That's what I mean. I'm with you on it. In general, we don't take the bait in Europe, but they still do it again and again. It's hard to know what stand politicians should take apart from the obvious ones.

You need to kill the ideology. Waste of time carpet bombing the "caliphate"...

definitely think this is true...bombing will only surpress radical islam and the only real way for it to be defeated completely is if it were to come from inside islam. That doesnt mean we can't be honest and come out and say there is a problem

also if islam refuses to reform, surpressing isis is prefereable to doing nothing and allowing them to fester

Thomas__

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Theresa May has confirmed he was British born. The limited terrorist "skills" he showed yesterday could have been got simply from playing GTA IV on the PS3, he didn't even use a manual car.

This guy's mindset will be closer to that of an American teenager, so disaffected that he opens fire with a machine gun in a school, than it is to that of ISIS.

The London incident from yesterday has more in common with the Berlin attack from December last year. Just that the London attacker was running towards the MPs entrance to the Houses of Parliament. Killing as many innocent people first and than seek to make way into the political heart of the UK. That´s definitely ISIS like and not like the deed of an murdering American teenager.

Wheeliebin30

An Irish person injured in the attack.

Thomas__

seachto7 wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You think this is gonna be solved by people lighting candles?

That's like saying cancer will be cured if you repost a facebook status.

It's going to take much more than that.

That's what I mean. I'm with you on it. In general, we don't take the bait in Europe, but they still do it again and again. It's hard to know what stand politicians should take apart from the obvious ones.

You need to kill the ideology. Waste of time carpet bombing the "caliphate"...

Nazism hasn´t been killed as well as Communism which were both ideologies with inhuman characteristics and still they both live on in the minds of those who follow it to this day and those who join that ideology in their youth. One has to break the power of those ideologies in the minds of their followers, but that is just one half of the whole task.

seachto7

Depp wrote: »

definitely think this is true...bombing will only surpress radical islam and the only real way for it to be defeated completely is if it were to come from inside islam. That doesnt mean we can't be honest and come out and say there is a problem

also if islam refuses to reform, surpressing isis is prefereable to doing nothing and allowing them to fester

and for some reason people want to avoid saying this...

Maajid Nawaz is one who does.

Thomas__

seachto7 wrote: »

Churchill carpet bombed Dresden. I'm not sure that's any different to what's going on now.

Churchill was the one determined to defeat Hitler and his Nazism and by doing so he forged the Alliance of the Big Three, first with the Soviets and then with the Americans in 1941. I have chosen Churchill for even this his Determination, not for the usual bringing up of the Dresden bombing.

Un1corn

How dumb do you have to be to kill in the name of something which only exists in your head? Religion is a disease.

Depp

seachto7 wrote: »

and for some reason people want to avoid saying this...

Maajid Nawaz is one who does.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali has also spoken out, and what do the left do? put them on a watchllist of ''top anti-islam extremists'' then worship at the feet of pro-sharia linda sarsour and her ilk