nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Child Item

RIP Martin McGuinness

thee glitz

Former Deputy First Minister of NI Martin McGuinness has died. May he RIP.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0321/861287-martin-mcguinness-death/

Find more posts tagged with

Quick Links

Comments

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I don't think Stheno is a Unionist and it's probably just a mistaken detail.

I wasn't saying he was. He claimed that maybe Morrison (unionist) was making a statement of fact.

Junkyard Tom

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't you get the memo, unionists don't need to be specific when they are making statements of fact.

I don't think Stheno is a Unionist and it's probably just a mistaken detail.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

The shooting of David Black? That was blamed on dissident republicans.

Didn't you get the memo, unionists don't need to be specific when they are making statements of fact.

end of the road

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Classy Unionism again.

yup. wouldn't expect anything less from his sort.

time to grow up Sammy lad, the sectarian statelet isn't coming back.

Stheno wrote: »

Sammy is always like that tbh, you always get the fringe elements.

And if you extend it to shootings the provos shot a prison officer in 2012

As someone who regularly works in the North since 2006, I'd say life in the North is far nicer the past few years than it was ten years ago.

that would have been another faction and not the provisional ira responsible for the shooting of the officer. the provisional ira ended after the GFA.

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

Sammy is always like that tbh, you always get the fringe elements.

And if you extend it to shootings the provos shot a prison officer in 2012

As someone who regularly works in the North since 2006, I'd say life in the North is far nicer the past few years than it was ten years ago.

The shooting of David Black? That was blamed on dissident republicans.

Stheno

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Even 2007 was eleven year's after the last Provo bomb though. So Sammy was having a bit of a troll regardless.

Sammy is always like that tbh, you always get the fringe elements.

And if you extend it to shootings the provos shot a prison officer in 2012

As someone who regularly works in the North since 2006, I'd say life in the North is far nicer the past few years than it was ten years ago.

FrancieBrady

It would be nice to see so called democrats and moderates call on unionists to show a bit of ordinary decency once in a while.
You won't be shanghaied into the RA you know. :rolleyes:

Alf Stewart.

Stheno wrote: »

And in 2007 I spent three/four days a week working in Belfast, and as I hadn't a drivers licence, I took the train.

It was regularly disrupted, about once a month especially in June/July/August due to bomb threats back then.

It wasn't unusual to arrive into Central in Belfast to discover this, or to be on the train and find it delayed/disrupted.

You may take from the timing that it was all Unionist driven but my point is that it still happened.

It doesn't happen now.

That's progress.

Even 2007 was eleven year's after the last Provo bomb though. So Sammy was having a bit of a troll regardless.

Stheno

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Ten years ago was 2007.

And in 2007 I spent three/four days a week working in Belfast, and as I hadn't a drivers licence, I took the train.

It was regularly disrupted, about once a month especially in June/July/August due to bomb threats back then.

It wasn't unusual to arrive into Central in Belfast to discover this, or to be on the train and find it delayed/disrupted.

You may take from the timing that it was all Unionist driven but my point is that it still happened.

It doesn't happen now.

That's progress.

[Deleted User]

Stheno wrote: »

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

10 years ago? In 2007? People would have been very much surprised if it was 'McGuinness's IRA'.

Alf Stewart.

Stheno wrote: »

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

Ten years ago was 2007.

FrancieBrady

Stheno wrote: »

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

And before that it could have been the Germans.
What was the point of his tweet only to troll a community in mourning?

Stheno

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Classy Unionism again.

Or a statement of fact?

10 years ago no one would have been surprised if it was IRA accredited.

During that time I was working regularly in Belfast, and was regularly delayed on the train due to bomb threats etc.

FrancieBrady

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Sammy Morrison tweeted this earlier.

Classy Unionism again.

Alf Stewart.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A bit like Jim Allister. Seems to me that is all he has to offer as a politician - trolling.

Sammy Morrison tweeted this earlier.

eoinzy2000

True, as in Tibbet too. It is an exercise in ego imo and a desire to feel relevant. A more honourable thing would be to keep quiet instead of jumping at the first tabloid microphone that you can find

FrancieBrady

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Berserker has just posted, word for word, on another MMcG thread. Pure trolling.

A bit like Jim Allister. Seems to me that is all he has to offer as a politician - trolling.

eoinzy2000

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bertserker has clearly thought better of his post.

Berserker has just posted, word for word, on another MMcG thread. Pure trolling.

FrancieBrady

Bertserker has clearly thought better of his post.

eoinzy2000

Berserker wrote: »

Special mention needs to go to Jim Allister today. His speech in the NI assembly regarding McGuinness was outstanding. Great to see that there are people out there with the guts to speak the truth. The line below is so powerful and truthful.

Its a pity that people, especially Irish people, whom he fought in a war to protect, show no respect for the sacrifices he made and hard war decision he made to protect his fellow Irish from the oppression his people had been subjected to, occupation, fear of speaking their own language and being jailed, fear of practicing their beliefs... the list goes on and on. The Irish people who call the man a murderer are the same people that if confronted with the horror imposed on the people of Derry, wouldve upped sticks and ran leaving their fellow men behind to be slain. The man forged a peace through BOTH armed struggle AND politics. RIP

FrancieBrady

Berserker wrote: »

Special mention needs to go to Jim Allister today. His speech in the NI assembly regarding McGuinness was outstanding. Great to see that there are people out there with the guts to speak the truth. The line below is so powerful and truthful.

Maith an buachaill Jim, he must have been in the toilet spewing more bile when McGuinness did at least two of the things in that list.

Junkyard Tom

LordSutch wrote: »

I reference his terrorist past while

While purposefully ignoring, and in fact admiring, the terrorist state that surrounded him.

I do understand that you are an IRA supporter

I was a child for the vast majority of the troubles so wasn't smuggling guns and hiding explosives between episodes of the A-Team and Airwolf. The only weapons I ever saw in my life was on an RUC man's hip or slung around a BA soldier's shoulder.

so shouldn't you be proud of the 1st half of his life?

I wouldn't blame young people like MMcG for joining the PIRA. I respect those who fought gun battles against the UVF/BA to keep them out of their communities in the early part of the troubles.

I have an issue with the direction the PIRA took and consider massacres like Kingsmill and Enniskillen as brutal atrocities, if not war crimes. However, I also understand that the PIRA was a symptom of the troubles not the cause.

steddyeddy wrote: »

The same poster who talks about admiring security forces who colluded with terrorists. Hard to take seriously.

Indeed, when I respond to people like that it's more because I'm cognisant of the readers of the thread and in respect of the general discussion.

steddyeddy

LordSutch wrote: »

Trying to be respectful in this RIP thread, so I've mentioned his IRA past, and I've also mentioned & welcomed (in a positive light) his political life, post the Provo's . . .

What more do you want?

OK fair enough.

LordSutch

steddyeddy wrote: »

The same poster who talks about admiring security forces who colluded with terrorists. Hard to take seriously.

Trying to be respectful in this RIP thread, so I've mentioned his IRA past, and I've also mentioned & welcomed (in a positive light) his political life, post the Provo's . . .

What more do you want?

steddyeddy

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I think the readers of the thread see how you work. Yesterday I called you out on ignoring the early experiences that shaped MMcG.

Today it's 'poor wee Arlene' and more excuses from you.

Congratulations, you've just sunk the HMS Lordsutch.... again.

The same poster who talks about admiring security forces who colluded with terrorists. Hard to take seriously.

LordSutch

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I think the readers of the thread see how you work.
Yesterday I called you out on ignoring the early experiences that shaped MMcG.

If you read my posts they're all very balanced & respectful on the death of Martin McGuinness. In this thread & (the thread I started in Politics Cafe) I reference his terrorist past while acknowledging the political & peaceful chapter he embarked on in the 2nd half of his life.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Today it's 'poor wee Arlene' and more excuses from you.

Not sure there's any 'poor wee Arlene' about her story.
It sounds quite horriffic to me, same with Norman Tebbit.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Congratulations, you've just sunk the HMS Lordsutch.... again.

Don't know what that means^

I do understand that you are an IRA supporter, so shouldn't you be proud of the 1st half of his life?

Or maybe its because I mentioned the 1st half of his life?

I'm not gloating on his death, Im not celebrating either

Junkyard Tom

LordSutch wrote: »

Now I see how you work.

I think the readers of the thread see how you work. Yesterday I called you out on ignoring the early experiences that shaped MMcG.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The first half of his life for you and your ilk deliberately ignores the first 'quarter'. A young boy ... witnessing the RUC beating his neighbours to death. Listening to stories of the B-Specials on the way to massacre the people of the Bogside for daring to resist RUC brutality.

His pals' Dads dragged out of their beds at night by the 'security forces'. Protestors being mass-murdered by a gang of killer Paras.. .

Today it's 'poor wee Arlene' and more excuses from you.

Congratulations, you've just sunk the HMS Lordsutch.... again.

FrancieBrady

DrWu wrote: »

I understand that some people want to think the best of MMG and that's fair enough. But what did he give up? The victims on all sides had a very tough pill to swallow to pave the way for peace. But what did MMG give up? You could argue that he did rather well out of the whole thing and came out of it looking pretty good. He never had the hard task of giving up any hard secrets before he died, the locations of bodies, what happened to Hegarty, McConville, the disappeared etc. A final act of theft from the victims of IRA violence before he scuttled off the stage.

Most of the bodies have been located, the ICLVR have said they are satisfied that the IRA have helped as best they could in that process. We know why jean McConville died.
The matter of 'who' did the above has been dealt with too in an honest albeit frank way.
There will be no information like that handed over unless there is a full Truth Process with all the parties to the conflict/war taking part.

A one-sided process would be dramatically destabilising.

LordSutch

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Not sure the people of the Bogside would want her there considering what they were put through by people like those in Arlene's family/community who joined the UDR/RUC and goodness knows what else.

See how that works?

Try telling Arlene Foster how it works > http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/arlene-foster-relives-horror-of-fathers-shooting-by-ira-and-tells-how-bus-blast-could-have-killed-her-34297350.html

But I also said

LordSutch wrote: »

On the other hand she may well attend as a mark of respect for the politician she grew to know in recent years at the Assembly.

But you chose not to comment on that.

Now I see how you work.

DrWu

I understand that some people want to think the best of MMG and that's fair enough. But what did he give up? The victims on all sides had a very tough pill to swallow to pave the way for peace. But what did MMG give up? You could argue that he did rather well out of the whole thing and came out of it looking pretty good. He never had the hard task of giving up any hard secrets before he died, the locations of bodies, what happened to Hegarty, McConville, the disappeared etc. A final act of theft from the victims of IRA violence before he scuttled off the stage.