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Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.

http://news.sky.com/story/gunshots-heard-outside-parliament-10810680

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Can't speak anymore, gagged and infracted.

Grayson

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Are you retarded? Islam is an ideology. Being Irish doesn't automatically make you a nationalist. In fact, the IRA were socialists.

The claim was that if America are going to ban all Muslims because of their VIOLENT ideology called Islam, then America should ban all Irish people because they might be in the IRA. Not all Irish people support the IRA. All Muslims support the Quran, which has 110 verses telling them to kill non-Muslims.
Being Irish is not a choice.
Being a Muslim is a choice.
Being Irish doesn't make you an IRA supporter.
Being a Muslim makes you a violent ideology supporter.
That's what my post was about.

With that said, no one is trying to ban all Muslims and no one said all Muslims are bad. I'm sick and tired of debunking liberals' flawed logic on their strawman arguments.

Islam is no more a violent ideology than Christianity. There's actual genocide in the bible. There's tracts that say murder and slavery are ok.

listermint

cnocbui wrote: »

If someone were to run a correlation on terrorism world wide and look for characteristics possessed in common by these 'unhinged' terrorists, being followers of Islam would likely pop up as a common factor, up there with walking on two legs and breathing air.

So if it were found that this Islam seems to cause the very dangerous unhinging of minds, it might perhaps be appropriate to consider treating it as we do other mind-altering substances like ICE and other class A drugs.

Thanks for bringing this unhinging to our attention.

Appears you didn't bother reading the post .

But good work. Try harder though

Professor Moriarty

Grayson wrote: »

To be fair there was a photo of a guy with police training guns on him. He looked like he was from around the subcontinent or there abouts.

That's about all we have though.

Yeah. SOP would mean that they would investigate his relatives, associates, communications, house etc. before releasing his name.

Depp

tritriagain wrote: »

Reported on news summary he was Asian.

his picture is all over reddit atm...very clearly middle eastern

Notavirus.exe

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Does the Koran tell people to randomly kill innocent people? I didn't know that. You learn something new every day.

The Quran has 110 verses telling Muslims to kill all non-Muslims. It also treats atheists as terrorists.

Professor Moriarty

Depp wrote: »

his picture is all over reddit atm...very clearly middle eastern

I thought he was asian? So confusing.

Depp

Grayson wrote: »

Islam is no more a violent ideology than Christianity. There's actual genocide in the bible. There's tracts that say murder and slavery are ok.

the arguement isnt christianity/the ira vs islam, its western societal values vs islam...the ''christianity/the ira was worse'' strawman is getting old

Jayop

That must be a new record. The old posts were only deleted a few minutes ago.

Widdershins

snowflaker wrote: »

Is that the IRA Docklands bomb?

I can't believe so many here are quick to rush to judgement on "muslims" and "immigrants" when the Irish were subject to the same xenophobic targeting in the 70/80's

Questiong Islam is not judging muslims nor is it xenophobia and previous bigotry has nothing to do with it. The Irish-British situation was very different to the situation with Isil.

[Deleted User]

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

**** off. You're not in more danger of the IRA than ISIS, because the former doesn't exist anymore. ISIS does. Your argument is already invalid. But this isn't about YOU. The people who were attacked today, and those who died, were victims of a Muslim doing what the Quran says. The IRA didn't follow any holy book in their actions, ISIS does. You can't possibly compare them, nor is there any reason to.

Over my life i have been more at risk from the IRA.
Surprised you know they don't exist seeing as you don't even think they are terrorists!!

Notavirus.exe

coco0981 wrote: »

Yes you implied it wasn't an ideology even though you didn't specifically say it

I didn't say being Irish was an ideology. What are you smoking? I said Irish was a nationality, just like British, American, India. All nationalities.

Depp

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I thought he was asian? So confusing.

arent pakistan etc technically asian countries? media playing down terrorism links id imagine. would post the icture here but not sure re rules any mods see this fire me a pm as to what is/isnt allowed cheers.

Professor Moriarty

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The Quran has 110 verses telling Muslims to kill all non-Muslims. It also treats atheists as terrorists.

Nah. Only if you choose to interpret it that way. The Bible is much better than the Koran if you want to be violent. You don't even have to twist the meaning.

[Deleted User]

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Are you retarded? Islam is an ideology. Being Irish doesn't automatically make you a nationalist. In fact, the IRA were socialists...

Your first line is intensely ugly. Good man.

Being an Irish nationalist make one an ideologue. If you are arguing that the IRA were not Irish nationalists, I'm afraid you have fallen through the black hole in your logic...but that makes it funnier!

Ronaldinho

Grayson wrote: »

Islam is no more a violent ideology than Christianity. There's actual genocide in the bible. There's tracts that say murder and slavery are ok.

We have no idea what this man's motives are as of yet and there's a mod note on page 1 saying not to speculate, but I'm going to take the bait.

I can't claim to have read the bible cover to cover but there was all sorts of stuff in the Old Testament so yeah - genocide, would not surprise me. Think the 10 Commandments might have later prohibited that...

I haven't heard of many atrocities in the modern era being committed by Christians taking those centuries old scriptures literally though.

Beechwoodspark

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, still just one human being who perpetrated this atrocity? No news on his religion, nationality, race, motivation, mental health? Just a human being, so far.

Not much to discuss so, unless you make lots of assumptions and generalisations. Lots of spicy stuff to talk about then. Gets the old righteous indignation juices flowing.

You are embarrassing yourself at this stage

Notavirus.exe

Here is a clear explanation for all you liberal retards, who think that all Irish people should be treated the same as all Muslims because of the IRA and ISIS, as to why you are stupid for believing so:

-Being Irish is a nationality
-Being a Muslim is an ideology

-Some Asians are Muslims
-Some Irish people were IRA members

-Being Irish means you were born in Ireland
-Being a Muslim means you follow a violent and disgusting book.

Hopefully that explains why you can't compare being Irish to being a Muslim and why banning all Irish people is NOT the same as banning all Muslims.
But once again, no one is being banned, so calm down and stop having a nervous breakdown at the thought of some Muslim getting his feelings hurt.

Professor Moriarty

Depp wrote: »

arent pakistan etc technically asian countries? media playing down terrorism links id imagine. would post the icture here but not sure re rules any mods see this fire me a pm as to what is/isnt allowed cheers.

Ronaldinho wrote: »

We have no idea what this man's motives are as of yet and there's a mod note on page 1 saying not to speculate, but I'm going to take the bait.

I can't claim to have read the bible cover to cover but there was all sorts of stuff in the Old Testament so yeah - genocide, would not surprise me. Think the 10 Commandments might have later prohibited that...

I haven't heard of many atrocities in the modern era being committed by Christians taking those centuries old scriptures literally though.

Well, let's go down that road. If the Christian West wasn't bombing Muslim countries, if the Christian West hadn't colonised much of North Africa, if the Ottomans hadn't invaded much of Europe, if the crusades...

Ask yourself this: If Syrian, Egyptian, Pakistani, and Saudi forces had been invading and bombing various countries across Europe for decades, and levelling various churches and cathedrals, do you think that a few atrocities might be carried out in those countries in the name of Christianity? Huh?

Grayson

Depp wrote: »

the arguement isnt christianity/the ira vs islam, its western societal values vs islam...the ''christianity/the ira was worse'' strawman is getting old

What are western values? We were ruled by monarchies until recently. In the last hundred years the continent has gone through imperialism, communism and fascism. It's gone through socialist stages and neo liberalism. Until very recently people could be locked up for being gay.
In this country we went through oppression, mass immigration, penal laws, and multiple wars. When we finally got independence we went through years of the abuse of children and women in state/church institutions. That's besides the sh1tstorm that is the north.

The English controlled half the globe, killed millions and stole their resources. At one point they fought a war over the right to sell opium.

The middle east has been under the control of Europe and then a string of dictators that were helped by Europe and the US. In Iraq alone millions have died as a result of wars and sanctions.

What are these western values? All the good ones are only around in the last 30-40 years since the end of the second world war and the founding of the EU. Even then we haven't been great.

Grayson

Ronaldinho wrote: »

We have no idea what this man's motives are as of yet and there's a mod note on page 1 saying not to speculate, but I'm going to take the bait.

I can't claim to have read the bible cover to cover but there was all sorts of stuff in the Old Testament so yeah - genocide, would not surprise me. Think the 10 Commandments might have later prohibited that...

I haven't heard of many atrocities in the modern era being committed by Christians taking those centuries old scriptures literally though.

The 10 commandments say nothing about genocide. We tend to think of it as thou shalt not kill. The original interpretation was thou shalt not murder.

Murder is the non sanctioned killing of another. So wars and capital offences don't count.

The_Kew_Tour

Grayson wrote: »

What are western values? We were ruled by monarchies until recently. In the last hundred years the continent has gone through imperialism, communism and fascism. It's gone through socialist stages and neo liberalism. Until very recently people could be locked up for being gay.
In this country we went through oppression, mass immigration, penal laws, and multiple wars. When we finally got independence we went through years of the abuse of children and women in state/church institutions. That's besides the sh1tstorm that is the north.

The English controlled half the globe, killed millions and stole their resources. At one point they fought a war over the right to sell opium.

The middle east has been under the control of Europe and then a string of dictators that were helped by Europe and the US. In Iraq alone millions have died as a result of wars and sanctions.

What are these western values? All the good ones are only around in the last 30-40 years since the end of the second world war and the founding of the EU. Even then we haven't been great.

We will never progress with attitudes like this.

SEPT 23 1989

By all means have a go but can we knock the retard stuff on the head

[Deleted User]

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Here is a clear explanation for all you liberal retards, who think that all Irish people should be treated the same as all Muslims because of the IRA and ISIS, as to why you are stupid for believing so:

-Being Irish is a nationality
-Being a Muslim is an ideology

-Some Asians are Muslims
-Some Irish people were IRA members

-Being Irish means you were born in Ireland
-Being a Muslim means you follow a violent and disgusting book.

Hopefully that explains why you can't compare being Irish to being a Muslim and why banning all Irish people is NOT the same as banning all Muslims.
But once again, no one is being banned, so calm down and stop having a nervous breakdown at the thought of some Muslim getting his feelings hurt.

While i wouldn't call you a retard, which is a disgusting term by the way, maybe you might understand this;
A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Makes no difference what their ideology or religion or nationality.

Grayson

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We will never progress with attitudes like this.

What does that mean? I'm not allowed to see the suffering that was caused by europeans?

Donal55

Last Reg for Now wrote: »

What is the Enlightenment. Cut it any way you want, we're a century ahead of the Muslim world. Trying being a woman, a gay or a minority in Saudi Arabia. You'll beg to go live a in a Christian nation.

Would that be the same Saudi Arabia that sits at the top table of the UN?

[Deleted User]

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Here is a clear explanation for all you liberal retards, who think that all Irish people should be treated the same as all Muslims because of the IRA and ISIS, as to why you are stupid for believing so:

-Being Irish is a nationality
-Being a Muslim is an ideology

I see the shrieking about "retards" gets a little shriller. It doesn't get any less unpleasant.

Relax. And I'll explain your own point to you again.

Nationalism is an ideology. The IRA were Irish Nationalists.
Islam, like any religious faith, is an ideology. ISIS are Islamic fundamentalists.

[Deleted User]

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

By all means have a go but can we knock the retard stuff on the head

I think shrieking "retard, retard" IS his main argument...it's vulgar, but the rest makes no sense at all.

Especially the bit that the IRA were not Nationalist or ideologues, they were socialists without ideology...or something like that!

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

I see the shrieking about "retards" gets a little shriller. It doesn't get any less unpleasant.

Relax. And I'll explain your own point to you again.

Nationalism is an ideology. The IRA were Irish Nationalists.
Islam, like any religious faith, is an ideology. ISIS are Islamic fundamentalists.

I don't know if I'd describe islam or any religion as an ideology. It's close though. The political manifestations of a religion are definitely an ideology though. So ISIS have an ideology.

The_Kew_Tour

Grayson wrote: »

What does that mean? I'm not allowed to see the suffering that was caused by europeans?

Your talking about times when many were not born.

By your talking we have great excuse to be bombing the hell out of England, sure we been ruled by them for 800 years.

Excuses after excuses from people like you.

Its tirseome, its regressive and it just goes around in circles and most of all its banging your head against the wall stuff