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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

sparrowcar

Contact lost just before 0100 off the west coast of Achill island on a rescue mission.
Search in progress including all available ships and Rescue 115.

Hopefully a positive outcome to this.

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Please do not speculate as to any cause unless you have a factual basis to do so (and can back it up with information released to the public).

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martinsvi

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

The accident report will be one interesting read.

absolutely, and I think you'd agree it's best wait for it.. I'm sure they will get to the FDRs soon and an interim report will follow sooner than your typical end report..

martinsvi

gctest50 wrote: »

All fur coat and no knickers it seems,

For example, whichever c*** specd 3 bolts on the oil filter bowl of the main gearbox should be shot

( the new generation gearbox has 6, other Sik. models have 6 - more bolts aren't always the answer - incredibly complex vibes n loads around )

how is that even.. what? You quoted me on sky demon with a rant around gearbox? You see why Irish Steve called us drunks, don't you?

View Profile

gctest50 wrote:

The iPad app gives more pilots access to this functionality, which we hope will continue the reduction in risk from airspace infringements,â€ said Kathy McColl, Safety & Strategic Research Engineer, NATS.

gctest50 wrote:

David Harrison, Director of Safety, NATS, - I would encourage all pilots to make use of this tool to ensure they are flying safely,

I think NATS are referring to GA pilots who are accidentally flying their 152's into busy London CTR, not experienced commercial pilots flying IFR.
App is meant for VFR use only.

tricky D

C182 wrote: »

did this guy really needed to be rescued ?? why couldn't the fisher boat sail back in instead? if i was him i would be feeling very guilty

Do not post in this thread again.

Gamebred

Considering the failure to find this wreckage, it goes to show how hard the search for the Malaysian airlines flight is in the Indian Ocean when this search is taking so long in a supposed small area in comparison, presume the crew would've been seat belted into the aircraft?

Steve

Gamebred wrote: »

Considering the failure to find this wreckage, it goes to show how hard the search for the Malaysian airlines flight is in the Indian Ocean when this search is taking so long in a supposed small area in comparison, presume the crew would've been seat belted into the aircraft?

I'm confident they know where it is, sea conditions for recovery are the issue.

Even if the weather calms, it can take several days for the sea to settle down.

If the Granuaile is in the area, they are planning a lift.

tricky D

Recovery assets take time to retask, assemble and move in such maritime incidents; weather notwithstanding.

ted1

Gamebred wrote: »

Considering the failure to find this wreckage, it goes to show how hard the search for the Malaysian airlines flight is in the Indian Ocean when this search is taking so long in a supposed small area in comparison, presume the crew would've been seat belted into the aircraft?

What failure, they pretty much know where it is, but can't recover it due to current conditions at sea.

livedadream

Ludo wrote: »

but then again what do I know.

exactly so keep stum. you dont know who is reading your posts so have some respect.

Gaoth Laidir

Commander Brian Fitzgerald of the LE Eithne was on Morning Ireland this morning and gave a very clear outline of what they plan for today. Not much chance of a dive but he said he hopes tomorrow will give them a window.

Listen to him here

TheChizler

Three papers have a headline minimising the extent of the injury the fisherman had. One's referring to the missing fingertip as a cut. Pretty disgusting tactic to create news.

Ludo

livedadream wrote: »

exactly so keep stum. you dont know who is reading your posts so have some respect.

Oh give over. There was nothing wrong with what I posted. We are discussing things here in a respectful way. It is what the site is for. See the site motto...."Now ye're talking".

Call me Al

TheChizler wrote: »

Three papers have a headline minimising the extent of the injury the fisherman had. One's referring to the missing fingertip as a cut. Pretty disgusting tactic to create news.

The Irish Independent said this morning that the fisherman lost a thumb. Hardly an insignificant injury.
I wonder, for those of you who think the boat could just head inland, how quickly do you think these ships could make it to land? Skippers don't just decide to just call out the coast guard 150 miles for insignificant injuries.

Tenger

Stop the sniping at each other. If anyone behaves like a child by baiting each other, or trying to get the last word in then you will be asked to refrain from posting in this thread

Tenger

TheChizler wrote: »

Three papers have a headline minimising the extent of the injury the fisherman had. One's referring to the missing fingertip as a cut. Pretty disgusting tactic to create news.

Just to put this in context and stop the pointless discussion of it;
A missing digit on a fishing trawler could mean
-loss of blood leading to unconsciousness,
-shock leading to death if the patient was in a weakened state.(long shifts and lack of nutrition)
-gangarene, septicemia or other infections due to the conditions of the initial injury or the boat itself. This could lead to loss of a hand or limb.

So perhaps lets just park this discussion about the level of injury. The SAR experts made the call on the operation. A call they have made 100s of times over the years.

*personal post btw

TheChizler

Tenger wrote: »

So perhaps lets just park this discussion about the level of injury. The SAR experts made the call on the operation. A call they have made 100s of times over the years.

*personal post btw

I agree the extent of the injury is irrelevant. The paper's language was along the lines of "it has emerged that the mission was over a minor injury". Entirely pointless article and just an attempt to stir the pot. And this from what would be regarded one of the better broadsheets.

challengemaster

Tenger wrote: »

Just to put this in context and stop the pointless discussion of it;
A missing digit on a fishing trawler could mean
-loss of blood leading to unconsciousness,
-shock leading to death if the patient was in a weakened state.(long shifts and lack of nutrition)
-gangarene, septicemia or other infections due to the conditions of the initial injury or the boat itself. This could lead to loss of a hand or limb.

So perhaps lets just park this discussion about the level of injury. The SAR experts made the call on the operation. A call they have made 100s of times over the years.

*personal post btw

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/minirobot-now-key-to-search-as-investigators-fear-rescue-116-helicopter-hit-rocks-in-mystery-crash-35546701.html

Last night, the Irish Coast Guard confirmed that the medical emergency the Rescue 116 was responding to related to a crewman losing a thumb on board a fishing vessel. A spokesman said a call was made that the helicopter should be dispatched after it was decided the crewman needed prompt medical attention due to the risk of septicaemia.

The rest of the article reads like they're taking information from this thread.

Cianmcliam

challengemaster wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/minirobot-now-key-to-search-as-investigators-fear-rescue-116-helicopter-hit-rocks-in-mystery-crash-35546701.html

The rest of the article reads like they're taking information from this thread.

What?! They seem to have much better sources, haven't read anything here about the inspection of panels that showed no explosive force or heat damage. They got that from someone inside the investigation.

Alun

I have a question on the "black box" recorders the S-92's have on board. Are these more sophisticated than the ones used in commercial airliners in terms of more modern technology used, number of parameters recorded etc.?

challengemaster

Cianmcliam wrote: »

What?! They seem to have much better sources, haven't read anything here about the inspection of panels that showed no explosive force or heat damage. They got that from someone inside the investigation.

I mean the whole "fears may have crashed into rocks/sea" and "Attempted landing at blackrock" reads the exact same as the speculation that was going on here...

Cianmcliam

challengemaster wrote: »

I mean the whole "fears may have crashed into rocks/sea" and "Attempted landing at blackrock" reads the exact same as the speculation that was going on here...

I think RTÉ had that yesterday as coming from the investigation, a possible emergency landing attempt on Black Rock. They already confirmed that wreckage was located beside the lighthouse a few days ago.

homerjay2005

challengemaster wrote: »

I mean the whole "fears may have crashed into rocks/sea" and "Attempted landing at blackrock" reads the exact same as the speculation that was going on here...

i think its pretty safe to say, the discussions on here were no different to anywhere else and especially, those close to the recovery/investigation.

like for instance, do you think investigators just decided to take a look at the rock, just because they read on boards.ie that it maybe possible a collision occured there?

when you look at the flightmap and then, the location of the wreckage its pretty clear that something happened close by. how it did happen however, is another matter entirely.

Bargain Blake

So on the business side:

Loss of an airframe and 4 crew.

What is in place to cover this? Is the Air Corps helping out or is there an airframe available at short notice from CHC?

Atlantic Dawn

What kind of lifespan will the battery in the black box have where it will continue to ping its position? I think a typical commercial airliner has enough battery power to send a signal for 30 days.
Is there a time range where the black box being immersed in water will eventually damage it?

323

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What kind of lifespan will the battery in the black box have where it will continue to ping its position? I think a typical commercial airliner has enough battery power to send a signal for 30 days.
Is there a time range where the black box being immersed in water will eventually damage it?

Good point. Would imagine these fall under the same specification as fixed wing commercial aircraft.

Had a look at one once, pretty well designed/built. Will keep the water even in very deep water if not full ocean depth.

Oscar Bravo

Extremely windy here in the West today with very squally showers, let's hope the winds abate tomorrow morning.

wotswattage

I see R115 is up from Shannon searching today, at one point it made an almost identical track to R116 on the night it went missing, out from the bay tracking Northwest passing Blackrock to its left out for a few miles and then making the same 180 degree left turn directly back towards Blackrock. Can't post a screen shot from marinetraffic on my mobile but if you view the past track (around 10am) of the SAR helicopter there right now you can see it.

Possibly replicating R116s movements to try gain a clearer picture as to what happened.

cosanostra

wotswattage wrote: »

I see R115 is up from Shannon searching today, at one point it made an almost identical track to R116 on the night it went missing, out from the bay tracking Northwest passing Blackrock to its left out for a few miles and then making the same 180 degree left turn directly back towards Blackrock. Can't post a screen shot from marinetraffic on my mobile but if you view the past track (around 10am) of the SAR helicopter there right now you can see it.

Possibly replicating R116s movements to try gain a clearer picture as to what happened.

It is not the Coast Guard responsibility to investigate what happened that lies with AAIU. The CG will be looking for anything floating in the water or getting washed up on the coastline

Cianmcliam

cosanostra wrote: »

It is not the Coast Guard responsibility to investigate what happened that lies with AAIU. The CG will be looking for anything floating in the water or getting washed up on the coastline

But if the AAIU wanted to replicate the flight on the same type with the same instruments and displays then wouldn't R115 be perfect?

I can see it doing almost exactly the same track but the rest of the trace is like a mess of location glitches.

homerjay2005

wotswattage wrote: »

I see R115 is up from Shannon searching today, at one point it made an almost identical track to R116 on the night it went missing, out from the bay tracking Northwest passing Blackrock to its left out for a few miles and then making the same 180 degree left turn directly back towards Blackrock. Can't post a screen shot from marinetraffic on my mobile but if you view the past track (around 10am) of the SAR helicopter there right now you can see it.

Possibly replicating R116s movements to try gain a clearer picture as to what happened.

thats very telling in my opinion.