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Fourth wave feminism.

Sweetemotion

What is all that about?

We have our national papers giving columns, to people like Louise O Niell and Rosemary Mc Cabe.

Both activists for Womens rights in Ireland and the Repeal the 8 campaign.

The only argument now in Ireland they have left, is the right to abortion.

After repeal the 8 is granted is that the end of feminism in Ireland as we all have equal rights?

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mrsdewinter wrote: »

Great. Another 'feminist-bashing' thread on AH. To all those men who think the gender pay gap is a myth, not every woman has children, yet women are underrepresented at the top levels of pay, so the argument that 'well, take a year off to have a baby, and that's what you get...' doesn't hold much water.

Maybe males make up the between candidates for those particular jobs. You for want gender quotas do you?

mzungu

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Great. Another 'feminist-bashing' thread on AH. To all those men who think the gender pay gap is a myth, not every woman has children, yet women are underrepresented at the top levels of pay, so the argument that 'well, take a year off to have a baby, and that's what you get...' doesn't hold much water.

Bashing? Really? The last page has been about what men need to do to fix things like the "pay gap". Also, women with no children out earn men with no children by 17% up to the age of 30. After that, the age when most women will start a family and be out of the workplace, causes a huge bulk of the difference.

Nobody is making the argument that it is tough luck if you want a family. I think extending fathers rights so they can raise their children if they so wish, will be of great help to both.

Bredabe

I campaign for equal rights for men, especially in terms of their children,
I can understand that some women in the middle east dont want to have to change from their traditional clothing, if they can do their job in it, why should they?

I've never taken maternity leave, but I was still paid the same as women who did, was fobbed off when I asked why. It was only when I moved job to the UK was I given pay parity. My younger generation in Ireland are still not being paid the same salary in reality as their male colleagues in some jobs, with the same conditions.

mrsdewinter

Great. Another 'feminist-bashing' thread on AH. To all those men who think the gender pay gap is a myth, not every woman has children, yet women are underrepresented at the top levels of pay, so the argument that 'well, take a year off to have a baby, and that's what you get...' doesn't hold much water.

mzungu

Mokuba wrote: »

Ask any feminist the definition of the word and they will mistakenly say - belief in equality between the sexes.

So by their own logic areas in which men are disadvantaged should be just as important. Unfortunately the vast majority of "feminists" couldn't care less about any male plight. If they were at least honest in their intentions it might be easier to have some respect for them.

I think when the line about "equality" is trotted out, it is done so for PR purposes, and little else. It means the interview won't get bogged down in discussions about mens rights or about the principles of true egalitarianism etc. I think most people who identify as feminist - that don't have a media presence - would be the first to tell you that it is a movement specifically for women, and rightly so IMO. As always, the clue is in the name.

I think the onus is on society to take the "equality" line with a grain of salt, and realise that changes need to occur within the mens movement to drive it onwards.

Winterlong

professore wrote: »

Last week he fired his top salesperson because her bonuses would have meant she earned more than the top salesman.

I know the man. He told me that he made her make tea for all the males in the office before she left the building.

professore

arse..biscuits wrote: »

If an employer can hire women to do the same work for way less pay, why would anyone hire men?

I was talking to a fellow man last week at the patriarch business owners of ireland and he was telling me how embarrassed he was when he discovered a woman was being paid the same as a man for the same work.

He immediately awarded the man a 20% pay rise. Last week he fired his top salesperson because her bonuses would have meant she earned more than the top salesman.

Woodhenge

Fourth Wave Feminism is when 'First World Problems' went from being a joke to a fanatical movement.

Help!!!!

DontThankMe wrote: »

To be honest with you I have a few friends that say the gender pay gap is a myth but, I haven't done enough research myself to make up my own mind so I can't really answer your question sorry.

Of course its a myth, if a man & woman start work on the same day in a supermarket doing the same job, they both get paid the same hourly rate. If the woman leaves to start a family & stays out of work for say 5 years, if she was to go back to work in the same supermarket she cannot expect to be on the same wage as the man she started with. The mans wages have gone up because of wage increases over the time the woman was off.

Mokuba

mzungu wrote: »

To be fair, it would not be a women's issue, so I don't believe one could expect them to fight that particular battle. But seeing as though the "wage gap" can be explained by women needing to take time off work to raise a family, when fathers rights do improve, that will do more to fix those discrepancies than any kind of social engineering quota system. That said, I think the fathers rights issue is one that needs to be fought by men themselves. Granted, there are organisations out there doing just that, but they mostly seem to be threading water (apart from the odd stunt here and there). I think they need to push these issues on politicians, because unless it becomes a vote winner, there is not a hope of it gaining any traction. I would be fairly sure that there is a high proportion of both sexes that would welcome fathers rights, so it is something that is quite achievable as long as there is a proper strategy involved.

Ask any feminist the definition of the word and they will mistakenly say - belief in equality between the sexes.

So by their own logic areas in which men are disadvantaged should be just as important. Unfortunately the vast majority of "feminists" couldn't care less about any male plight. If they were at least honest in their intentions it might be easier to have some respect for them.

arse..biscuits

If an employer can hire women to do the same work for way less pay, why would anyone hire men?

johndaman66

The whole gender pay gap is a load of nonsense. These studies and findings are crude and misleading. They do not make a comparison of hour versus hour which is the true reflection. Rather they focus on annual salaries which fail to take into account maternity leave; parental leave; time taken off to take the kiddies to the doctor/ hospital etc.

Also if big bouts of time are taken off career progression is logically going to suffer as a consequence. If a man and a woman have worked in the same industry for the same amount of time; both have gained the same industry experience and knowledge per hour worked except the woman has taken 2 or 3 bouts of extended mat leave and parental leave how could the woman expect to have progressed as far in her career as her male counterpart? Again these studies selectively choose to ignore and mask this aspect. Consequently if the woman hasn't progressed as high up the career ladder her take home pay wont be as high, as you could only expect.

As I'm aware men are now entitled to equal parental leave to women. However, in reality I get the impression men take a lot less parental leave to women which no doubt is a conscious decision between couples. Granted there are possibly a lot more single parent women than men out there but this is in part circumstantial and party because the courts will favour on the side of the woman if there is a custody battle all other aspects being equal.

y0ssar1an22

if a female colleage of mine gets paid more, am i now entitled to a raise? not beciasue i deserve it, but because discrimination.

same **** as buying houses...if you dont agree with the wage dont take the job or negotaitae a better deal. this whole thought process is what leads you to socialism

mzungu

sashafierce wrote: »

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To be fair, it would not be a women's issue, so I don't believe one could expect them to fight that particular battle. But seeing as though the "wage gap" can be explained by women needing to take time off work to raise a family, when fathers rights do improve, that will do more to fix those discrepancies than any kind of social engineering quota system. That said, I think the fathers rights issue is one that needs to be fought by men themselves. Granted, there are organisations out there doing just that, but they mostly seem to be threading water (apart from the odd stunt here and there). I think they need to push these issues on politicians, because unless it becomes a vote winner, there is not a hope of it gaining any traction. I would be fairly sure that there is a high proportion of both sexes that would welcome fathers rights, so it is something that is quite achievable as long as there is a proper strategy involved.

sashafierce

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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

What are the first three waves?

scoey

Next step after the current playing field is considered sufficiently "equal" is demanding reparations to make up for the ills of the distant past.
See liberals in America for examples.

Mountainsandh

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Feminism is bollocks...
Because out of all the cries you hear from Western Feminists you never hear them talk about how women are being treated in the middle east. God forbid they could help their fellow woman somewhere else in the world that actually needs women's rights :pac:

Ah but they do sometimes.
The worst is when I see feminists on Facebook staunchly defending Middle East women's right to wear Muslim coverings. No matter how you spin it, it just doesn't ad up in my view.

B.A._Baracus

Feminism is bollocks...
Because out of all the cries you hear from Western Feminists you never hear them talk about how women are being treated in the middle east. God forbid they could help their fellow woman somewhere else in the world that actually needs women's rights :pac:

The_Valeyard

Fourth wave feminism wont be happy until all men are held as slaves deep in the mines of mars writing bad jokes for women.

Richard Hillman

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Is fourth generation like super Hd?

No it's like 3D. Sounds great but in the end, it just isnt as good as standard Def.

andekwarhola

/heads back to chuck berry on you tube.

buried

R.I.P.TIDE

Sweetemotion

DontThankMe wrote: »

To be honest with you I have a few friends that say the gender pay gap is a myth but, I haven't done enough research myself to make up my own mind so I can't really answer your question sorry.

Listen to your friends.

Junkyard Tom

I wouldn't worry too much about it - it's just that in a surf session women surfers get to go on every fourth wave.

DontThankMe

freshpopcorn wrote: »

This is something I often wondered about the gender pay gap. Somebody told me in the past that the main reason for the gender pay gap is because women took more time for maternity leave or they took time to mind the kids at home and this meant they didn't build up the same amount of service as men and this is why the gap excised. Is this true?

To be honest with you I have a few friends that say the gender pay gap is a myth but, I haven't done enough research myself to make up my own mind so I can't really answer your question sorry.

Yamanoto

bubblypop wrote: »

What's fourth wave feminism ?

Mandatory beard, full bush & pits.

machiavellianme

bubblypop wrote: »

What's fourth wave feminism ?

I think the first wave was when they had tea and crumpets and used to wave their little fingers. Then they moved on to waving their index fingers in agitation. Next it was the thumbs up wave once they got parity and now they're waving their middle fingers at anyone who'll listen because life's so unfair (or something).

freshpopcorn

DontThankMe wrote: »

No sir it will not be the end of feminism in Ireland. I believe the gender pay gap will be next on the list but I could be wrong.

This is something I often wondered about the gender pay gap. Somebody told me in the past that the main reason for the gender pay gap is because women took more time for maternity leave or they took time to mind the kids at home and this meant they didn't build up the same amount of service as men and this is why the gap excised. Is this true?

Sweetemotion

DontThankMe wrote: »

This one

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/gender-pay-gap-in-ireland-has-widened-over-last-five-years-1.2983387

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-set-to-introduce-measures-to-close-the-gender-pay-gap-35516983.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/labour-proposes-bill-to-tackle-gender-pay-gap-780836.html

Work the same hours get the pay.