ivytwine wrote: » Yep and I'd rather be a Catherine Corless than a numpty on Twitter!
McGaggs wrote: » I've seen a few of these, but only for men. One about getting beaten up (I think), and the other pretty much like this one but with a wallet instead of lippy. Is that not equality?
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » That's different though, because, you know, stuff. And reasons. Important reasons.
By that logic, awareness campaigns around home security, hi-visbility wear at night, etc are victim blaming. Awareness ≠ blame
They actually do. Which just shows you have no idea of what rape culture is and how it works. Shocking.
And I really don't give a **** about some random dude's opinion on this, you've never had to deal with this ****.
ivytwine wrote: » All of these people need to put their phones away and go for a walk.
ivytwine wrote: » Twitter is such a crock of nonsense though. Especially for discussing such complex issues. At least Facebook gives you the space for debate. Most people use twitter for I don't even know what- I know one person who pretty much follows poker accounts only- and for small numbers of left and right it's a ridiculous echo chamber. I'd dearly love for people to pay it no mind and it'll eventually go away. It really has done so much damage to debate and discussion.
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » Twitter is slowly but surely dying on it's @rse. If you check out the increase in users, year by year, in most social media-twitter is dead last. It's heading towards myspace levels of 'never used again'. There was more excitement when Bebo was claiming it would be revived. Instagram is a new social media platform, but it has twice as many users as twitter, continually growing. Twitter-the negative press it recieves, means it has half the user base-and has pretty much flatlined (Disney very publicly stated they weren't interested in buying it because of it's toxic environment). You can find charts showing it's user based growth, and in the last 2-3 years, it's the same. Comparitively, facebook, and insta, are constantly growing. So Lon can scream from a cottage on twitter all she wants, as can many-they do nothing. I would imagine they got a very harsh wake up call when all their 'activism' on twitter led to Donald Trump winning.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Close https://twitter.com/Ciarabelles/status/841545613539966976 I replied pointing out that there was also a poster saying similar to men (with regards to them 'not having a plan') and Louise chimed in:https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/841625743310356480
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » https://twitter.com/RosemaryMacCabe/status/841064644609474560 Yes, everyone on boards is an MRA...wow, didn't know that equality meant I was an MRA...so disappointed in myself.... (Actually, even if I was an MRA, which I am not, I would not be disappointed in myself). (And the tweet that started it all was about teens on a school trip-ya know, when people haven't figured out their own identity and 'try' to fit in. I would argue the LoN types are doing the same thing now-like they haven't left that phased).
Birneybau wrote: » That's just infuriating!
ivytwine wrote: » I cannot understand how "gender is a social construct" is compatible with trans rights actually. In my view there's a fundamental conflict there. Maybe I'm a bit dense. Anyway while I'd agree that certain aspects of gender identity aren't fixed (pink used to be for boys for example) they are the most trivial aspects. Yeah, absolutely fair play to her. Promoting feminism in Ireland is an absolute cakewalk in comparison.
ivytwine wrote: » Like so many things intersectionality came from a good place. non white women etc were ignored by feminism by a long time. I would argue tho that nothing has been achieved by this. Practical action is almost non existent, and the infighting has everyone so stuck and afraid to put their head above the parapet. Gay marriage happened because LGBT people put their rights first and fought for them.
ivytwine wrote: » Anyway in light of the existential crisis facing the human race (climate change) I find all this stuff darkly amusing. It reminds me of nothing more than the characters in GOT slinging it out over the Iron Throne, pretending that the White Walkers aren't coming ever closer to the Wall.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Ah I don't mind the replies tbh. I find it kind of entertaining to see how people like them repsond to opposing views, even if it is to come out with madness like citing the recent consent survey when I pointed out that the Garda campaign wasn't blaming women on being attacked (yup, she did that). What Louise was doing though does annoy me (and she does it often) and that is to try and convince others that they should not be engaging with people on on Twitter, FB etc, that don't agree with their worldview, and would be best to just mute them just as she does... and boy does she. Her film Only Ever Yours starts shooting soon enough. She's bad enough now, what'll she be like after her name rolls on the big screen. Saints preseve us.
anna080 wrote: » She's obsessed with calling people who don't agree with her MRA's, it's actually gas.
Widdershins wrote: » I don't know what an MRA is. I'm imagining equally militant and neurotic male versions of this type of pseudo feminist. I reckon this is all a symptom of people who have some serious problems with the opposite sex ( opposite to whichever they happen to be) Reading those tweets and other gender wars stuff on Boards is bringing on a ''I hate people'' kind of mood
ivytwine wrote: » Ah sure they're only dying for a reaction, don't give them one. Have to say though, the people they are criticising are legally children and that's just scummy. If they're concerned with how they're talking about women, organise a talk in the school?
TheDavester wrote: » She's going to get worse with the movie imho - she irks me as there are younger women who are going to be 'brainwashed' /impressionable with the stuff she comes out with and that's a fear for anyone - but looking at the lack of attendance for the consent classes in Dublin and Limerick give hope that they're seeing through her and her ilk
py2006 wrote: » And straight and white apparently too!! Bizarre stuff.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Aye and she always at pains to make sure she's never including gay men either. In her rant article on pornography for example (which I can't find now - was in the Examiner I think) she said 'heterosexual' porn was misogynistic, making sure to not be including gay porn in her forthcoming rant. She then went on to say though that people should watch porn made by Erika Lust (and to 'thank her later') and has even tweeted the odd time recommending people view her stuff:https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/746425600357842944 Well I did watch some of her stuff (purely for research purposes you understand - hate the filth usually) and low and behold but what Erika makes has been made a thousand times before and far better too. (Watch some of it tell me different). I even also watched Erika's Tedx talk (included below...skip to the 6m mark) as maybe I had been watching it wrong or something (could happen) and was missing something that Louise was seeing as a result.. but no.. all I found was a nonsensical narcissistic rant from that was really just an attack on men. At one point she says that the history of porn has been a discourse (fair enough) which ONLY MEN had participated in thus far and who have ALL been narrow minded chauvinists making misogynistic porn with "little sexual intelligence". Says it all really that she thinks (in 2014) that only men have had a hand in producing pornography for the last 40 to 50 years. The usual ranting on a topic she clearly knows nothing about. It's as if they decide that because they are feminists they can just become an expert on any topic they so choose whenever they like and they are from that point on the first women to have done so... cause patriarchy or something. Guess I must have imagined watching all the Candida Royalle, Princess Donna, Nina Hartley, Belladonna (etc etc) produced and directed adult films. Course they don't make "sex positive" feminist porn and so guess they no doubt don't count as being a "female contribution" to the 'discourse' that pornography has been down the years. Funny how feminists get to decide which women's voices count and which one's don't.
johnnyskeleton wrote: » I'd be genuinely interested to find out how they can say it is not the same. Imagine the HSE put out a series of anti smoking posters. If there was a male poster and a female poster, both saying that it's not healthy to smoke, would they argue that they are not the same and that the male poster is trying to help men live better lives while the female poster is trying to dictate to women what they can or can't do with their own bodies? The irony of all this is that the campaign is from an organisation whose job it is to keep us all safe. Gardai see hundreds/thousands of drunk men and women on the streets of Dublin on a Friday or Saturday night. Sometimes people are just drunk and making a mess or can't get home. Some times they have to bring people to the hospital, or to the barracks to make a statement. Sometimes they have to go to the morgue. If the Gardai see all this stuff and think "we really have to educate young people about the perils of drinking too much", a part of which is about the risk of being sexually assaulted while drunk, what is wrong with that?
johnnyskeleton wrote: » I'd be genuinely interested to find out how they can say it is not the same. Imagine the HSE put out a series of anti smoking posters. If there was a male poster and a female poster, both saying that it's not healthy to smoke, would they argue that they are not the same and that the male poster is trying to help men live better lives while the female poster is trying to dictate to women what they can or can't do with their own bodies?
johnnyskeleton wrote: » The irony of all this is that the campaign is from an organisation whose job it is to keep us all safe. Gardai see hundreds/thousands of drunk men and women on the streets of Dublin on a Friday or Saturday night. Sometimes people are just drunk and making a mess or can't get home. Some times they have to bring people to the hospital, or to the barracks to make a statement. Sometimes they have to go to the morgue. If the Gardai see all this stuff and think "we really have to educate young people about the perils of drinking too much", a part of which is about the risk of being sexually assaulted while drunk, what is wrong with that?
mzungu wrote: » When you throw logic out the window all kinds of stuff is possible. There was an opinion piece in yesterdays Irish Times critiquing that campaign and called it an example of "Gardasplaining". They're not even trying anymore over at the IT these days are they? On a more serious note, I think there is always going to be no pleasing a certain cohort in society. That goes for just about everything in all walks of life. However, I would wager that most rational minded people were able to understand the true message of the campaign, and hopefully they will heed it.
Feminism seems prepared to give the long-term game away for the sake of a snarky tweet, never mind the hundreds of men who have been alienated in the process. If we want more men to join the Breitbart brigade, the Feminist Left need only keep doing what it is doing.
