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The Boggers Log

ThebitterLemon

After some sage advise from Krusty, I've decided to dip my toe into the training log pool.

My 12 month objective is to crack a sub 3, but my immediate objective is to run a 3.05 -3.07 in Seville in February.

I've done a few marathons and did Valencia a couple of weeks ago as a training run (fantastic event by the way), and I've started a 12 week McMillan running program last Monday.

I'll try to post here as frequently as possible and would appreciate any feedback proffered.

Again, tnx Krusty for his time and inputs.

TbL

3 sessions completed so far;

1. 30 min warm up followed by, 22, 30 second strides with 1 min recovery run at between 5k and 1 mile race pace. 15 min cool down jog

2. 70 mins easy run

3. 50 min easy run

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Annie get your Run

tang1 wrote: »

Come for a run with me, sure I'm only a sponsored walker according to you, I'll make you feel fast again!!!

I think I can beat the pair of ye in the 'woe is me' steaks :rolleyes: put down the toblerone (it's lent :eek:) It's only a few puddles FFS, that's what showers were invented for!! Do the feckin race and have fun

ThebitterLemon

Today: wanted to get a bit of a tempo run in again today given the crap effort on Thursday.

The kids had a swimming lesson in Salthill so I'd an hour to get this done, the rain had stopped and yesterday's floods had cleared up well.

Had hoped to get 6 miles done around 6.30-6.40 pace but very quickly realised the legs are still dead and that pace was unrealistic so I decided to drop it down to MP.

Got a mile warm up and then laboured through 6 miles @ 6.45

Lot of work still to do.

7 miles for the day.

TbL

ThebitterLemon

Today: still trying to work myself back into it so I decided to dial back the long run today to 14/15 miles. It's frustrating but I can still feel the stiffness and heaviness in the legs a full week after the skiing!

Decided to try a completely new route to provide a bit of distraction, picked a nice scenic route on isolated roads near the sea. Nice and fresh out there today but at least I avoided the worst of the rain.

The kids are off sweets for lent so I'm learning how to make rice crispy buns!!

15.2 miles @ 7.44

TbL

ThebitterLemon

Mon & Tues: fighting a sore throat and some mean looking blisters on the arch of my foot so took the soft option and did nothing. The new orthotics are definitely helping with the foot and ankle issues but they are taking a long time to break in.

Wed: lovely morning for a run, headed up over Seanadh Pheistin for 7 easy miles.

Thur: headed into town to get my hair cut today, I've been going to the same barber now for over a quarter of a century and the experience follows a hallowed ritual and routine.

- I open the door and nod at him, he nods back, indicating that I can sit in the chair or take a seat on the waiting bench.

- when it's my turn he wraps my shoulders in the comforting warmth of a hairy towel. It's always red and always smells the same.

- he puts his two hands on my shoulders and asks "usual". I either nod in the mirror or give a "yep".

- he starts cutting, there is absolutely no talk for at least the first two minutes.

- any talk is tightly ring fenced to sport and absolutely nothing else, sentences are short and to the point, responses should be concise, preferably of the "yeah" or "no" kind.

- he finishes quickly, does a bit of auld man ear and neck hair tidying up, shakes the towel of hair half onto the floor and half onto me.

- "how's zat", "fine"

- I fish some notes outta my pocket and say "keep the change", he responds with a "Ta" and I brush the hairs off myself and leave.

I don't know his name, he doesn't know mine and that's the way we like it, it's the routine.

Today, I opened the door and nodded...at a woman, I almost fell through the pane of glass I got so startled. "Come in come in" she says, "take a seat there's a paper there (I know where the f'ing papers are, they've been in the same place for 25 years!) and I'll be with you in a minute. I shudda ran when I had the chance!

- her, "how are you today?" as she leads me into the chair. Non committal grunt from me.
- "is the chair height ok", are you freaking kidding me does this chair even move
- "what would you like?" O mother of god, a haircut, I'm hardly here for a back sac and crack wax.
- "are you working", "yes" says I praying she'll stop talking and start cutting.
- she asked me if I wanted it "layered", at this stage I'd have bolted but she'd started. Layered, I'm not a wedding cake, please stop talking and cut my feckin hair!
- she then committed a cardinal sin by asking me where I was working and did I live locally.
- she continually tried to engage me in conversation of a personal nature, even telling me where she had gone on holidays.

Finally she squirted talcum powder on my neck!

I feel violated and haven't been right all day, my hairs in a right state too, kept running my fingers through my hair on a 5 mile easy run.

TbL

Kennyg71

Funniest thing I've read in ages, did you at least find out what happened to your regular barber.

snailsong

Brilliant! 25 years and you don't know his name. Until I was about 30 I only ever had my hair cut by men with the same name, 3 generations all called John McKenna. Now 'young' John has taken over the business and has women working with him, I don't know their names.

Have you see the Coen brothers movie 'The Man who wasn't There'? Excellent observations about the interaction between barber and client. Recommended.

ThebitterLemon

Kennyg71 wrote: »

Funniest thing I've read in ages, did you at least find out what happened to your regular barber.

J

Don't know Kennyg, but if some unfortunate mishap has befallen him that precludes him from returning I'm gonna be a long haired OAP!

snailsong wrote: »

Brilliant! 25 years and you don't know his name. Until I was about 30 I only ever had my hair cut by men with the same name, 3 generations all called John McKenna. Now 'young' John has taken over the business and has women working with him, I don't know their names.

Have you see the Coen brothers movie 'The Man who wasn't There'? Excellent observations about the interaction between barber and client. Recommended.

Hey P,

The surname is over the door and his father used to work there too but I haven't the faintest idea what his name is, and 25 years later it's a bit late to be asking!

Never seen that movie but I'll keep an eye out for it.

TbL

Murph_D

Good barber scene in Gran Torino too. Yer man Clint has had some memorable barber shop scenes, really.

You should've told her you're a tax inspector, that always kills the chitchat!

Kennyg71

Murph_D wrote: »

Good barber scene in Gran Torin too. Yer man Clint has had some memorable barber shop scenes, really.

You should've told her you're a tax inspector, that always kills the chitchat!

Exactly what was in my head re. Clint when reading.

Mrs Mc

I'm laughing away here to myself on the dart at your haircut adventures ..... so funny. Didn't you know going to the hairdressers is like confession for us women !!!

aren't you lucky you don't get your colour done and sit there for 2 hours !!

Murph_D

Had to change barbers recently myself. The old guy had the perfect mix of silence and non-committal banter, with personal questions rarely asked ("Off today?" would be about the height of it, if it was a midweek visit). I had to very reluctantly start looking elsewhere because the poor man's hands were getting very shaky and he liked to keep everything very sharp. Still feel guilty if I pass him on the street, and look over my shoulder when sneaking into the new place, where the barbers are younger and chattier, but less likely to take my ear off.

It's a big thing, that man-barber relationship.

Annie get your Run

Mrs Mc wrote: »

I'm laughing away here to myself on the dart at your haircut adventures ..... so funny. Didn't you know going to the hairdressers is like confession for us women !!! aren't you lucky you don't get your colour done and sit there for 2 hours !!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: exactly why I do my own colour

I too had to change hairdressers recently, it's hugely traumatic!. I'm with the lads on this, the quieter and quicker the better. My new one is a bloke, he's a bit chattier than my last (girl) but the ole 'I'm on my lunch break' usually keeps things efficiently speedy.

p.s. hope the throat & foot are on the mend C!

Bungy Girl

I hear ya! I prefer the dentist over the hairdressers :eek:.

ThebitterLemon

Friday: 5 miles easy but it felt like torture!

Sat: 5 miles easy with a couple of wobbly auld man strides

Sun: 16 miles @ marathon pace

Mon: cross training

Tue: rest, travelling.

Wed: am- 5 miles easy
pm- 6 miles easy (felt strong on this run, 1st time in ages)

TbL

Neady83

What does cross training TBL style look like?

Itziger

16 miles at MP?????

Jaysus, you're some bull$hitter all the same.

5 miles Easy but it was torture!!! says he.

5 miles slow........ zzzzzzzzzzzz. says he.

Eh, 16 miles at marathon pace. 16 Miles at MP. Warm up? Cool down? Or did ya just chuck on the runners and head out the door for 16 miles?

ThebitterLemon

Neady83 wrote: »

What does cross training TBL style look like?

Nothing like the serious cross training you're getting done Neady, I was simulating "skiing"!

TbL

ThebitterLemon

Itziger wrote: »

16 miles at MP?????

Jaysus, you're some bull$hitter all the same.

5 miles Easy but it was torture!!! says he.

5 miles slow........ zzzzzzzzzzzz. says he.

Eh, 16 miles at marathon pace. 16 Miles at MP. Warm up? Cool down? Or did ya just chuck on the runners and head out the door for 16 miles?

Yep 16 miles @ 6.49 per the garmin, no warm up, walked a bit to cool down! Trying to acclimatise the auld bod to the rigours of MP miles.

TbL

Itziger

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Yep 16 miles @ 6.49 per the garmin, no warm up, walked a bit to cool down! Trying to acclimatise the auld bod to the rigours of MP miles.

TbL

Fuppin' 'ell, as we never said in Cork, you're doing ok if you're up to 16 miles. Most I ever did was 14 I think (before one of my glorious failures).

ThebitterLemon

Itziger wrote: »

Fuppin' 'ell, as we never said in Cork, you're doing ok if you're up to 16 miles. Most I ever did was 14 I think (before one of my glorious failures).

Maybe that's why I've had so many glorious failures!

I'm trying the brute force route to sub 3 for a month or two.

Next run I'll try 20 @ mp and if I'm faltering I'll stop at 20, if I feel ok I'll push on.

Someone christened it the "thickness" approach and it's probably unusual but with my background I know I can grind out marathons, just need to get used to the pace!!

TbL

AuldManKing

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Maybe that's why I've had so many glorious failures!

I'm trying the brute force route to sub 3 for a month or two.

Next run I'll try 20 @ mp and if I'm faltering I'll stop at 20, if I feel ok I'll push on.

Someone christened it the "thickness" approach and it's probably unusual but with my background I know I can grind out marathons, just need to get used to the pace!!

TbL

Obviously you are being 'self coached' at this stage

ThebitterLemon

AuldManKing wrote: »

Obviously you are being 'self coached' at this stage

Can't commit to a formal program at the moment A, so I'm just trying to get one session a week in, interspersed with easy runs and a long run (with MP miles on occasions).

Hoping to be able to get back on one of Ecolis programs soon.

TbL

Ferris B

You're stressing me. I completely agree to the concept of getting mind and body used to MP but 16 miles at this stage !!!??? If Cork is indeed your next target race, it's about 12 weeks away. Surely that's a run for about 4 weeks out from your target race after a gradual weekly build up. I'm a bit baffled. Although then again, maybe you are targeting Manchester?

BTW you're obviously in great nick if you managed the 16 mile MP run. Just don't peak too soon.

PS. When you can commit to a program, maybe consider the Hanson plan, apparently suited for us auld lads. I'll let you know in 6 weeks if it works!

snailsong

Some going, Lemon. I couldn't believe when you just chucked that in, 16 miles at 6:49 ffs. I did 14 x 7 min miles at the weekend and was shagged. And I'm a fit young fella. Looks like pigheadedness might get you where science failed. Good luck.

ThebitterLemon

Thur: 4 miles easy around Dangan after work, had planned on 8 but had some stomach issues so happily cut it short.

Today: decided to try a session, 8 x 1k at around 10k pace. Atrocious weather out there this morning so I kept putting it off. It was after lunch by the time I got out. Did a couple of miles warm up over Seanadh Pheistin in lashing rain and gale like winds. Picked a flattish section to do the reps out and back. Was very tired after 6 reps and almost finished up but forced myself to finish. The reps into the wind were very tough and I got very cold on the cool down miles.

Good effort and happy to have it done.

Reps: time

1. 3.53
2. 4.08
3. 3.48
4. 4.07
5. 3.43
6. 4.08
7. 3.46
8. 4.12

9 miles for the day

TbL

ThebitterLemon

Today: no chance to get a long run in tomorrow so it was today or bust and it didn't really suit me at all and the weather was ****e. Was feeling tired and lethargic so I decided to do a 3 mile loop from the house just in case I seized up and had to bail early.

Found this mentally and physically tough and passing close by the house after every 3 mile loop was enticement to call it a day. After every loop I said I'd finish on the next one but slowly plodded on. Found the last rep very hard and my sorry ass was dragging along the tar.

Happy to have it done and I'll take it handy over the next couple of days.

20 miles @ 8.21

TbL

tang1

Nice weekends training that C, good to see.

ThebitterLemon

tang1 wrote: »

Nice weekends training that C, good to see.

Tnx B.

Hope you're recovering well.

Tough slog today, yesterday's session still in the legs so next couple of days will be easy

TbL

ThebitterLemon

Sunday: was tired and knee a bit stiff so I took a rest day rather than the planned 4 mile nursing home special.

Monday: was in UK for work and was at a meeting and staying overnight in Wentworth golf club. Don't get the attraction for golf at all and the place was very uppity, no jeans, no mobile phones, no loud conversations....

Thankfully I didn't need a dinner jacket for the 4 mile nursing home special I did in the gym.

Tuesday: Long day and was travelling back so I took another rest day.

Wednesday: decided to try a small session, was staying beside Santry park so I went over to the park and did 3 x 2 miles at HM pace off 2 mins recovery. Cold and rainy and the knee took a while to loosen up so I started this in poor form but gradually got into it. First mile of each rep was done a little too fast and as a result the second mile was a bit slower. Happy to have it done.

2 mile reps average:

1. 6.19
2. 6.18
3. 6.22

Came across this class cover of this legendary song, these guys look like some of the locals out my direction

https://youtu.be/ay_jN3KHp5c

TbL

youngrun

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Yep 16 miles @ 6.49 per the garmin, no warm up, walked a bit to cool down! Trying to acclimatise the auld bod to the rigours of MP miles.

TbL

Surely you are ready for a race? Any target? Not many about doing that type of run, strike while the irons hot.