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Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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Contact lost just before 0100 off the west coast of Achill island on a rescue mission.
Search in progress including all available ships and Rescue 115.

Hopefully a positive outcome to this.

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Storm 10

ED E wrote: »

Will they be listening for transponders as well as echoing the seabed?

Yes they said today they are listening for signals underwater, also said if they find the wreckage they will send in the "Celtic Explorer" which has a large crane and a remote controlled sub.

ThisRegard

I'm sure I heard someone on News at 1 say they'll be listening for transponders, but someone was talking to me at the time so didn't catch the full conversation.

ED E

323 wrote: »

Aye. Looks like running lines, will be running multibeam echosounder, his track looks like he was pulling a towed instrument on one of his runs earlier too.
With him on site, just a matter of time before its found.

Don't see anything in the area with recovery capability, as yet.

Will they be listening for transponders as well as echoing the seabed?

323

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The Celtic Voyager search area seems to be concentrated in an area about 1km to the East of Black Rock Lighthouse, it has done multiple passes over this area.

Aye. Looks like running lines, will be running multibeam echosounder, his track looks like he was pulling a towed instrument on one of his runs earlier too.
With him on site, just a matter of time before its found.

Don't see anything in the area with recovery capability, as yet.

Sterling Archer

Even RTE had mil mi-26 images to represent the ICG helis

milewidehead

Yes. Just adding my (very annoyed) tuppence worth. I hate it when uninformed 'hacks' make up copy on the basis of....nothing. Seems most prevalent in aviation accidents.

vicwatson

milewidehead wrote: »

Get this! "unlikely to have been caused by a mechanical fault",....what a load of speculative gubbage! Typical Indo ****e....I would believe the opposite to be the case, but we simply do not know yet. All we know for sure is that four brave people are dead. R.I.P.

Yes. it was discussed over this and the precious page.

milewidehead

Get this! "unlikely to have been caused by a mechanical fault",....what a load of speculative gubbage! Typical Indo ****e....I would believe the opposite to be the case, but we simply do not know yet. All we know for sure is that four brave people are dead. R.I.P.

NUTLEY BOY

durandal01 wrote: »

You can follow the activity of the surface vessels on https://www.vesselfinder.com/
Use the marine map to see the water depths, 30 to 50m around Black rock.

http://helioffshore.org/s92a-alert-service-bulletin/

Thanks - I was just wondering about depths.

durandal01

You can follow the activity of the surface vessels on https://www.vesselfinder.com/
Use the marine map to see the water depths, 30 to 50m around Black rock.

http://helioffshore.org/s92a-alert-service-bulletin/

greenspurs

Such a terrible tragedy... RIP to all brave heroic crew ...

Celtic voyager seems to be staying east of Black Rock ? and LE Roisin coming towards it also.

Sterling Archer

I see the Air Corp Casa is on station again

Atlantic Dawn

The Celtic Voyager search area seems to be concentrated in an area about 1km to the East of Black Rock Lighthouse, it has done multiple passes over this area.

oisinog

HighLine wrote: »

Simona1986 wrote: »

There's similar stories in the times:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/why-helicopters-crash-fuel-pilot-error-and-mechanical-failure-1.3010682

I didn't see anything wrong with the article by The Times (didn't bother reading the Indo). They just highlighted in general terms what can go wrong with helicopters and the lack of redundancy etc.

The Times also called out that it was very unlikley to be pilot error

HighLine

Simona1986 wrote: »

There's similar stories in the times:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/why-helicopters-crash-fuel-pilot-error-and-mechanical-failure-1.3010682

I didn't see anything wrong with the article by The Times (didn't bother reading the Indo). They just highlighted in general terms what can go wrong with helicopters and the lack of redundancy etc.

Alkers

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Then again, you are quoting the Independent, which has become the definition of garbage journalism in Ireland. I trust nothing they write.

I will only listen to what Jurgen Whyte and his team have to say.

Ginny

I'm nearly sure my sons were waving at 116 on Sunday as it flew over our house.
I believe one of the crew members is a family friends son, it's just horrific.
We see the CG regularly fly over our house, the boys are so used to seeing them being so close to the airport, its such a sad day.

Jawgap

Tabnabs wrote: »

The search looks very concentrated just off Blackrock Is. Likely they are homing in on the wreckage. Celtic Voyager specialises in underwater surveying.

Looks like she's on station now......

http://marine.ie/Home/site-area/infrastructure-facilities/research-vessels/track-vessel?language=en

She's also got an underwater cctv capability - I'd imagine they want video and sonar data for the investigation and to aid the recovery divers.

Tabnabs

The search looks very concentrated just off Blackrock Is. Likely they are homing in on the wreckage. Celtic Voyager specialises in underwater surveying.

duskyjoe

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Captain FitzPatrick's sister will be on RTE Radio 1 shortly.

Capt Fitzpatricks sister came across extremely well this morning. A touching and factual interview. People just take for granted what our rescue services do and the sacrifices involved. I am always humbled and say a quick prayer to myself that everything is ok when I hear the rescue services on frequency especially in the middle of the night as I ply the skies high up, away from danger and exposure to the elements. Let's hope the remaining crew members are found today to give some type of closure to their suffering.

FrancieBrady

My family has had tragic occasion to need this service. Possibly this very craft and crew.

My sincerest sympathies to all affected.

Danbo!

faoiarvok wrote: »

They somehow concluded that lack of a mayday call from the aircraft meant it was "unlikely to have been caused by a mechanical fault", which makes no sense.

Let's lash that in the headline and then bury the details in the article.

"But the sources stressed that it was too early in the investigation to speculate on the cause."

:rolleyes:

Gaoth Laidir

Captain FitzPatrick's sister will be on RTE Radio 1 shortly.

knucklehead6

duskyjoe wrote: »

We all need to know what caused the crash. Indo this morn insensitive and finger pointing. Way too early for that.

vicwatson wrote: »

Finger pointing?

faoiarvok wrote: »

They somehow concluded that lack of a mayday call from the aircraft meant it was "unlikely to have been caused by a mechanical fault", which makes no sense.

It's the indo. About par for the course from that rag

Gaoth Laidir

faoiarvok wrote: »

They somehow concluded that lack of a mayday call from the aircraft meant it was "unlikely to have been caused by a mechanical fault", which makes no sense.

Then again, you are quoting the Independent, which has become the definition of garbage journalism in Ireland. I trust nothing they write.

I will only listen to what Jurgen Whyte and his team have to say.

vicwatson

faoiarvok wrote: »

They somehow concluded that lack of a mayday call from the aircraft meant it was "unlikely to have been caused by a mechanical fault", which makes no sense.

The good old indo - the broadsheet sun. Full of speculation. :rolleyes::mad:

faoiarvok

vicwatson wrote: »

Finger pointing?

They somehow concluded that lack of a mayday call from the aircraft meant it was "unlikely to have been caused by a mechanical fault", which makes no sense.

vicwatson

duskyjoe wrote: »

We all need to know what caused the crash. Indo this morn insensitive and finger pointing. Way too early for that.

Finger pointing?

duskyjoe

We all need to know what caused the crash. Indo this morn insensitive and finger pointing. Way too early for that.

tomwaterford

Stheno wrote: »

Today really brought home to me what's involved with the likes of sailing, I only took it up a few years ago in my late thirties, and always assumed the rescue services were there, and would be, as most of my sailing is inshore, so no massive risk, it would be rare that we'd be more than 10 miles offshore, and I was hoping to get into offshore sailing.

Yet this tragedy was six miles offshore so within the limits of what I as a novice sailor would regularly do.

Really brought it home what services these guys do, and at what potential cost

Not to be grim....but some my fathers aunts and unxles from near a fishing village in the waterford gaeltacht and there's a saying there....roughly translated meaning your grave is always open in relation to fishing off boats

Though I do hope they find the rest of the remains.....I see lads on Facebook in the coast gaurds and mountain rescue at home posting about it
A terrible tradedy....I hope noone is lost looking for them either