Birneybau wrote: » That's just infuriating!
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » https://twitter.com/RosemaryMacCabe/status/841064644609474560 Yes, everyone on boards is an MRA...wow, didn't know that equality meant I was an MRA...so disappointed in myself.... (Actually, even if I was an MRA, which I am not, I would not be disappointed in myself). (And the tweet that started it all was about teens on a school trip-ya know, when people haven't figured out their own identity and 'try' to fit in. I would argue the LoN types are doing the same thing now-like they haven't left that phased).
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Close https://twitter.com/Ciarabelles/status/841545613539966976 I replied pointing out that there was also a poster saying similar to men (with regards to them 'not having a plan') and Louise chimed in:https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/841625743310356480
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » Twitter is slowly but surely dying on it's @rse. If you check out the increase in users, year by year, in most social media-twitter is dead last. It's heading towards myspace levels of 'never used again'. There was more excitement when Bebo was claiming it would be revived. Instagram is a new social media platform, but it has twice as many users as twitter, continually growing. Twitter-the negative press it recieves, means it has half the user base-and has pretty much flatlined (Disney very publicly stated they weren't interested in buying it because of it's toxic environment). You can find charts showing it's user based growth, and in the last 2-3 years, it's the same. Comparitively, facebook, and insta, are constantly growing. So Lon can scream from a cottage on twitter all she wants, as can many-they do nothing. I would imagine they got a very harsh wake up call when all their 'activism' on twitter led to Donald Trump winning.
ivytwine wrote: » Twitter is such a crock of nonsense though. Especially for discussing such complex issues. At least Facebook gives you the space for debate. Most people use twitter for I don't even know what- I know one person who pretty much follows poker accounts only- and for small numbers of left and right it's a ridiculous echo chamber. I'd dearly love for people to pay it no mind and it'll eventually go away. It really has done so much damage to debate and discussion.
ivytwine wrote: » All of these people need to put their phones away and go for a walk.
By that logic, awareness campaigns around home security, hi-visbility wear at night, etc are victim blaming. Awareness ≠ blame
They actually do. Which just shows you have no idea of what rape culture is and how it works. Shocking.
And I really don't give a **** about some random dude's opinion on this, you've never had to deal with this ****.
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » That's different though, because, you know, stuff. And reasons. Important reasons.
McGaggs wrote: » I've seen a few of these, but only for men. One about getting beaten up (I think), and the other pretty much like this one but with a wallet instead of lippy. Is that not equality?
ivytwine wrote: » Yep and I'd rather be a Catherine Corless than a numpty on Twitter!
anna080 wrote: » Why isn't there a man on the poster? Do men not get attacked? Statistically men are more likely to be attacked on nights out than women, should men not have a plan as well? While I'm being deliberately obtuse and provocative, I bet if there had been a man on the poster there'd be people giving out about that too and crying oppression. The outrage brigade will always find something to feel wronged and disgust over.
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » We see class systems all the time-Tim Allen, the chef, as I mentioned. He got so much support from locals, it was disgusting. OR the Judge Curtin case- where the warrant used to obtain child porn off of his computer was a day out of date. So he walked free from court, despite him being clearly guilty. Do you honestly think that if he was 'Joe Curtin, the plumber' that he'd have gotten away so easily? He only stepped down from his job by claiming health problems-he could still be working as a judger but for people clamoring for him to 'do the right thing' regarding not presiding over cases. (His ex-wife was also the mayor of tralee at one point, and is a former solicitor who lectures in the college in Tralee). Class played a huge part in his case. It plays a huge part all the time-the IRish presenters caught for drink driving, who go on TV all the time. Some of them read the weather to us...to me, that would show a sad symptom of our drink culture-but there is far more evidence of that than 'rape culture'.
ivytwine wrote: » I cannot understand how "gender is a social construct" is compatible with trans rights actually. In my view there's a fundamental conflict there. Maybe I'm a bit dense. Anyway while I'd agree that certain aspects of gender identity aren't fixed (pink used to be for boys for example) they are the most trivial aspects. Yeah, absolutely fair play to her. Promoting feminism in Ireland is an absolute cakewalk in comparison. Like so many things intersectionality came from a good place. non white women etc were ignored by feminism by a long time. I would argue tho that nothing has been achieved by this. Practical action is almost non existent, and the infighting has everyone so stuck and afraid to put their head above the parapet. Gay marriage happened because LGBT people put their rights first and fought for them. Anyway in light of the existential crisis facing the human race (climate change) I find all this stuff darkly amusing. It reminds me of nothing more than the characters in GOT slinging it out over the Iron Throne, pretending that the White Walkers aren't coming ever closer to the Wall.
mzungu wrote: » I would disagree with her fundamentally on a few things. A major one being her belief that gender is a social construct. I just can't get on board with that one. Nevertheless, to be fair to her, she is quite active in trying to promote feminism in Nigeria, which in itself is a huge task. Big kudos there. No doubt, I expected it might take another wee while before the infighting over who is most oppressed would begin. But it appears things are moving more swiftly than anticipated. It's not too far off primary school playground popularity politics with identity thrown into the mix. But it is a complete and utter load of tosh.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » As spoken about yesterday, some feminists seem to confuse warnings about what raises risk factors of being assaulted and how to reduce them, with actually being blamed for causing the assault. I see Louise has just re-tweeted the following tweet which shows the latest poster from An Garda Siochana's 'Community Safety' as doing just that, when in actuality it is doing anything but:https://twitter.com/TweetsbySimone/status/841388800525897731
Smegmaniac17 wrote: » Yeah, it's looking that way alright. Ive actually heard a speech from Chimamanda a few weeks back and I have to admit that I agreed with most of what she said. I think if the feminist movement has any ambitions to become mainstream, this is the type of woman that they want fronting it! Though, it is highly doubtful that they do want it to become mainstream anyway!
JRant wrote: » Identify politics by its very nature has no other course to run but to turn on itself. it gets to a point whereby they've nobody else to castigate so it just starts in fighting over who is the most oppressed, hard done by or gets the most funding.
JRant wrote: » I must say intersectionality is the biggest pile of shîte i've heard of in a long time. It's akin to the oppression Olympics.
JRant wrote: » Ah but you see Catherine Corless put the hard yards in and actually fought the good fight for years to get justice. If these clowns on twitter can't solve world hunger and peace in 140 characters or less they just don't want to know about it. Even Dory in Finding Nemo has a longer concentration span than some of these numpties.
anna080 wrote: » Why isn't there a man on the poster? Do men not get attacked? Statistically men are more likely to be attacked than women, should men not have a plan as well? I'm being deliberately obtuse here, but I bet if there had been a man on the poster there'd be people giving out about that too and crying oppression. The outrage brigade will always find something to feel disgust over.
mzungu wrote: » Would that not happen in all types of court cases? Being surrounded by family and friends? Nobody disputes rapes happen. What is disputed is that there is a "rape culture". Unfortunately, there are some people out there with backwards attitudes. It wouldn't make it a culture, though.Is this the study you are referring to? The results don't seem to make much sense. For example, the results state that 21% said sex without consent is acceptable in certain situations and 11% said being drunk or on drugs justifies sex without consent. But at the same time.... 97% said violence against women was not acceptable. 99% said that sending unwanted texts/pictures of a sexual nature was wrong. 97% said making lewd remarks in public was wrong. 99% thought that making unwanted physical contact with a colleague was wrong. How exactly do these two sets of figures add up? Violence against women, lewd remarks, unwanted pictures and contact is shown to be unacceptable by 97% and higher, but then 21% believe sex without consent is fine? Something is not right with the above. Also, we don't know how they defined consent (or even if they did define it) for the study. I think clues to the results may lie in the wording of the wording of the questions. Here is the question from it concerning consent that the figures were taken from: Take the wording of the question itself. It starts off with "Some people believe that having sexual intercourse without consent may be justified in certain situations." So, immediately it is guiding the respondent to think of other people rather than him or herself. Then asks "Do you think this applies to the following circumstances?" That leaves a hell of a lot of room for misinterpretation.
ivytwine wrote: » Just ignore them. These people in my experience talk an amazing game online but in real life, their debating skills are usually minimal. That's if they even make a peep in the real world. So many of the people now tweeting about Tuam wouldn't have done anything about it if they'd been around back then. I take my example from people like Catherine Corless. They mightn't be the most glam or spend most of their lives on Twitter pretending to care about every single injustice in the world, but they get **** done and they often stand alone in defence an unfashionable cause.
TerrorFirmer wrote: » That Twitter account, tweetsbysimone, is so incredibly irrational that it's beyond frustration. Labelling an awareness campaign (which exist for all manner of crimes and dangers for good reason, not simply violence against women) as proof of rape culture, a state which encourages victim blaming, even somehow managing to include the Tuam Mother and Baby Home in the mix. These people scare me. They're people I don't want to be around for fear of setting off their blinkered irrationality with the most innocuous comment. She even has 'misogynist trolls' featured in her bio, which I strongly suspect is essentially anyone of the male gender who disagrees with her truths.
mzungu wrote: » I think this article highlights the craziness of identity politics. Last weekend, Nigerian author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie said in an interview: “When people talk about, ‘Are trans women women?’ my feeling is trans women are trans women.” . Her point being that before they transitioned they enjoyed privilege as men, and therefore they would not be able to understand the experience of cisgender women. Fairly innocuous stuff. Although it has caused controversy and follows on from outrage last week over similar comments made by Loose Women's Jenni Murray: Is this a sign of things to come? Before, people outside of the identity groupings were rife for shaming (Tim Hunt, Shirt guy etc), now the movement looks to be cannibalising itself. It seems that intersectionality is increasingly becoming (if it is not there already) akin to a cult where even the most banal of statements will be jumped on for not being completely "on message".
Smegmaniac17 wrote: » Can you elaborate on the bootlicking? I don't know anything about that ( But I predict some cringing!
ivytwine wrote: » I, in general, like her and I cannot see anything overly controversial in what she said. I think she's very articulate and seems to be quite open to debate. I loved Americanah as well, I don't think what's she's said about trans women is overly different to that novel's observation that the experiences of African Americans and Africans living in America are very different. Some people are demanding that she stops speaking for trans women... surely in itself acknowledging a difference. I must say some of the bootlicking Louise O'Neill did when she was on the no7 campaign with Chimamanda was cringeworthy. The identity sector of the left has been cannibalising itself for a while. Especially with regarding trans rights. I don't keep up with it any more tbh but there's definite People's Front of Judea stuff going on. And I think a lot of more moderate people are tired of it, plus Trump especially proved to be a short sharp shock.
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