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Hugh's last outing as LOGAN arrives March 3rd 2017.

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PooArse

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I think 'The Wolverine' and 'Logan' are to be treated as their own universe in a lot of ways, similar to how the comic universe works.

You also see the samurai sword Logan receives in 'The Wolverine' in his bedroom in 'Logan'. But that's just nit picking.

Tom.D.BJJ

El Duda wrote: »

Unlike all of the other films in this franchise, this is inspired not so much by comic books or other Marvel films, but by the likes of Little Miss Sunshine and The Wrestler.

Dunno about that, as the Logan storyline is inspired by the Old Man Logan series of comics.

FunLover18

Deleted User wrote:

Umm Mangold has said that The Wolverine and Logan are.

Yeh but he's also said he didn't want to be tied down by the timeline/continuity. Sounds like he's trying to have his cake and eat it.

Besides The Wolverine is shÃ®te so why anyone would want to consider it as part of any universe is beyond me.

[Deleted User]

FunLover18 wrote: »

Yeh but he's also said he didn't want to be tied down by the timeline/continuity. Sounds like he's trying to have his cake and eat it.

Besides The Wolverine is shÃ®te so why anyone would want to consider it as part of any universe is beyond me.

The final act blows it, but it's a good film up to the Samurai reveal

TerrorFirmer

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

Dunno about that, as the Logan storyline is inspired by the Old Man Logan series of comics.

It has almost nothing in common with the comic to be fair, the
'old man' aspect is about it, along with a take on one single element of backstory - but on the whole, they're nothing alike.

You also see the samurai sword Logan receives in 'The Wolverine' in his bedroom in 'Logan'. But that's just nit picking.

Yes but there's no direct, linear continuity. It takes cues from The Wolverine but it does its own thing and leaves it up to the audience to draw their own conclusions as to the world the film exists in.

Mangold has taken a 'one-shot' comic book approach with the timeline and continuity, it gives more creative freedom but also leaves the door open for Wolverine to re-appear at any stage in other films in the wider franchise. It's not a binding conclusion to the character, just a take.

I quite like The Wolverine. Massive improvement on Origins.

fitz

I'd be happy to consider X-Men, X2 and this a trilogy and leave everything else. None of the Wolverine or X-Men movies in between have been without their messy elements that you have to kinda ignore to enjoy them. Some great set pieces, but by and large disappointing movies. Going from X2 to Logan feels fine to me.

Mokuba

Thought this was very good (8/10) when I left the cinema, after a nights sleep I think my feelings on it have improved even more (9/10).

Some great performances from Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart (wow, he was tremendous) make this one of the best Superhero (if you can even call it that) movies to date.

Not afraid to take chances - in fact some of the revelations are so utterly tragic, it's rare to see a director or a script willing to try things like that.

What's more, is that there are stakes, like actual stakes and not James Spader making quips for over 2 hours. This will stick with you. Doesn't shy away from more difficult issues. Brave and brilliant.

Looper007

Wow, didn't believe I would walk out after a screening of Logan and think I've probably seen the best Superhero film made so far, seen it twice and I think it's up there with Batman Begins/Dark Knight, First Avengers film,Captain America Winter Solider, Days of Future Past. Definitely think it's the best X Men related film to date.

But it's so much more then a Superhero film, it really is a Family drama and sort of Western deep down just with added Violence. Hugh Jackman has probably given his best performance to date as Wolverine/Logan, strange to see him so broken down and weak after years of him been kick ass. Career best for Patrick Stewart as Professor X. Boyd Holbrook, Richard E Grant and Stephen Merchant were very good too. Dafine Keen was excellent as Laura, her character will become a fan favourite and I wouldn't be surprised if they make a solo film with her.

It had some shocking moments that I couldn't believe they went with, the murder of the family even the young son was pretty brutal as was the death of Professor X quick and brutal by Clone Logan. It definitely earned it's 16 rating just by the opening scene alone. Plenty of action.

The death scene of Logan was a gut punch but a fitting way for Jackman's Wolverine to go, we all know Fox/Marvel will reboot him sooner then later. But at last Jackman get's the Wolverine solo film he deserves, although I thought The Wolverine (2013) was very good up until it's third act, Logan just is way and above it it's not even funny. 10/10

Brief_Lives

I saw this movie last night... I was blown away by the intensity Jackman and Stewart brought to the screen... Chapeau gentlemen.
X23 had incredible presence for a little one, her first action scene was awesome...

I took their presentation of the lack of new mutants as Fox's version of M-Day, now after reading this thread, maybe, maybe not. But the no new mutants and then finally the second coming story line was kinda played out....

Excellent stand-alone movie... 9/10....

will56

Is this the best way forward for super-hero movies ?
Rather than trying to have continuity across multiple movies "that can be at the mercy of studios and suspect directors", let them be self contained stories with subtle nods to the overall subject matter ?

Audiences are weary of the big bad who's come to destroy the world/human race etc etc.

I think the success of logan/deadpool is that they are smaller, self contained stories that are more focused on the characters ?

helimachoptor

Can someone explain to me how Logan gets adamantium after DoFP?

TerrorFirmer

helimachoptor wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how Logan gets adamantium after DoFP?

It's not explained and doesn't really need to be, it just is what it is, a dreary and largely self contained take on a cold, hostile world Logan and Charles are just trying to get by in a world that's left them behind.

As Will56 outline above the Wolverine films in general are set in the same universe but they don't follow a canon linear storyline so there's no point trying to join dots that don't officially exist.

But the films, on the other hand, also established the whole ripples in time thing where the end result may be the same, so either way he ends up with it - somehow - regardless of alterations to the timelines.

We may get a film that takes cues from the ending of Logan - or it may never be explored further from a continuity POV and X23 will appear again out of context with her first appearance, or else Wolverine himself will reappear in a timeline that contradicts the events and timeline of Logan.

[Deleted User]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Cineflix has produced a pretty excellent timeline of the events with Wolverine in the X-Men movies

Sad Professor

One thing I don't understand: why did Singer end DoFP the way he did, undoing the events of Last Stand, only to go make the next sequel set in the '80s? Was there a plan to bring back the original cast?

TheDoc

Have to say think people wanting to organise timelines and get context for the events of Logan are just missing the point entirely and I don't understand peoples necessity to be fully clued in on the context.

I havn't read the Old Man Logan Comics, although plan too, but was taking this very much as a standalone finale for the character.

That there was no clear explanation in the film, or a timeline linkup to previous films, I thought made the entire realisation by Xavier of what he did to be that more harrowing and visceral. It brought some serious impact and unfolding about his and Logans relationship and a real development for Wolverine I thought, especially about his unwillingness to accept any responsibility for their new arrival.

Foxtrol

helimachoptor wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how Logan gets adamantium after DoFP?

In Apocalypse we see Wolverine escape from the Weapon X program and I believe at that point he has adamantium claws. That is the new timeline that leads into Logan

Foxtrol

Foxtrol wrote: »

In Apocalypse we see Wolverine escape from the Weapon X program and I believe at that point he has adamantium claws. That is the new timeline that leads into Logan

To add, where the timeline makes no sense is actually between DOFP and Apocalypse not Logan.

At the end of DOFP they have Mystique masquerading as Stryker pulling Wolverine from the water but then in the intervening years before Apocalypse he still ends up being captured and brought to Alkali Lakes. If they just didn't try to add a clever twist (or planned out their universe better) the whole adamantium timeline between the 3 movies would make sense.

Riddle101

Just back from Logan and I loved it. I wouldn't so much call it a superhero movie, it was more of an action movie based on a comic book, but it doesn't matter because it was entertainment. I enjoyed the acting in it, loved the story, and I think the ending was perfect.

Malari

Riddle101 wrote: »

Just back from Logan and I loved it. I wouldn't so much call it a superhero movie, it was more of an action movie based on a comic book, but it doesn't matter because it was entertainment. I enjoyed the acting in it, loved the story, and I think the ending was perfect.

I felt like this too. I go to almost all Marvel movies and if the central character of this movie wasn't Logan I might have skipped it, but very glad I didn't. I'm not usually a fan of such violence but it worked well here. I'm not one to remember details of incongruencies in movie timelines, but I felt that Logan referring to the comics as being 'not what really happened' was a sort of reflection of the CGI-heavy X-Men movies being one interpretation of a story and maybe not 100% accurate. Loved the film.

Seanachai

Riddle101 wrote: »

Just back from Logan and I loved it. I wouldn't so much call it a superhero movie, it was more of an action movie based on a comic book, but it doesn't matter because it was entertainment. I enjoyed the acting in it, loved the story, and I think the ending was perfect.

I really enjoyed it and I'm very picky, the film had a human element to it that a lot of sci-fi and action films lack. I've always liked his surliness and weariness with fighting. Hugh Jackman really pulled out all the stops playing Logan as a broken wreck, but still powerful even in his ill state, the relationship between himself and Xavier though fraught, was still very touching. Especially when he was carrying him to bed and then

the heartbreaking scene where he had to tell him that he hadn't killed him

Even though his spirit and body are broken he still had that heroic element in him and it brought a smile to my face to see him come to the kids rescue and we got to see one last spectacle of the Wolverine. The girl playing his daughter put on a great performance too.

[Deleted User]

I was really looking forward to this but I found it not only dumb, but deeply unpleasant to sit through.

Seanachai

Deleted User wrote: »

I was really looking forward to this but I found it not only dumb, but deeply unpleasant to sit through.

Unpleasant in what way?

[Deleted User]

Seanachai wrote: »

Unpleasant in what way?

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the violence was off-putting.

I get that there was meant to be a theme running through it of Logan's being sickened and affected by the constant violence.

But aside from that, the general incompetence of the chasing posse and the setpiece, chase, pause, setpiece, chase, pause plot did nothing for me.

The Shane theme was forced and clumsy.

The fight scenes were among the worst I've ever seen for big strong fellas standing around waiting to be killed. And no, I'm not referring to the one scene where that literally happens!

Logan was vulnerable half the time but utterly indestructible the other half (not talking about the magic potion here, just from one scene to the next throughout)

The xkids were being killed off in Mexico but couldn't be taken out in a forest at the end of the movie.

Overall, i guess, i didn't feel it earned its attempt at intelligent, grown up movie status because there were such glaring gaps throughout. Once that failed for me, the sweariness and extreme violence just became gimmicks. Fine in a deadpool with a throwaway tone, not in a weighty tragedy.

Performances were excellent throughout and deserved better than the overplotting that we got.

Talk of this being a great movie as if it surpassed its genre is misguided imo. In a few months the ratings and the fervent praise will look a bit silly.

Seanachai

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the violence was off-putting.

I get that there was meant to be a theme running through it of Logan's being sickened and affected by the constant violence.

But aside from that, the general incompetence of the chasing posse and the setpiece, chase, pause, setpiece, chase, pause plot did nothing for me.

The Shane theme was forced and clumsy.

The fight scenes were among the worst I've ever seen for big strong fellas standing around waiting to be killed. And no, I'm not referring to the one scene where that literally happens!

Logan was vulnerable half the time but utterly indestructible the other half (not talking about the magic potion here, just from one scene to the next throughout)

The xkids were being killed off in Mexico but couldn't be taken out in a forest at the end of the movie.

Overall, i guess, i didn't feel it earned its attempt at intelligent, grown up movie status because there were such glaring gaps throughout. Once that failed for me, the sweariness and extreme violence just became gimmicks. Fine in a deadpool with a throwaway tone, not in a weighty tragedy.

Performances were excellent throughout and deserved better than the overplotting that we got.

Talk of this being a great movie as if it surpassed its genre is misguided imo. In a few months the ratings and the fervent praise will look a bit silly.

You sound like myself criticising other similar films

, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise but I was actually really impressed by the fight scenes for a change. They weren't cut too fast in Jason Bourne style and it conveyed how serious a set of metal claws are when wielded by a beast-man like Logan.

He was dying from metal poisoning so it's plausible that he would have had good days and bad days or peaks and troughs throughout the day, his healing factor and strength while depleted were not completely banjaxed, so he was still a force to be reckoned with. Stewart was brilliant in this movie, he got to show Xavier with a lot more humanity and edge than we've previously seen, I don't normally cry with films but the eyes did water a bit when he died, the dementia theme is close to home too.

I was also really impressed with Jackman's primal performance and the way he can summon up the rage and aggression needed. There's not many actors that have that grit in them. I want to re-watch the scene where we hear him roar in the woods before we see him.

ps3lover

I'm loving this new trend of allowing film makers to make the movies they want to make and not forcing them into a box (usually 12a). It's a shame this could t have happened before the Robocop as I would have loved to have seen the movie the director intended, rather than what he was forced to make.

[Deleted User]

ps3lover wrote: »

I'm loving this new trend of allowing film makers to make the movies they want to make and not forcing them into a box (usually 12a). It's a shame this could t have happened before the Robocop as I would have loved to have seen the movie the director intended, rather than what he was forced to make.

True as that wasnt actually a bad flick anyway, just severely hamstrung, although the organic reveal was really well done

ps3lover

Deleted User wrote: »

True as that wasnt actually a bad flick anyway, just severely hamstrung, although the organic reveal was really well done

If you read any recent interviews with the director he really doesn't hold back, makes it sound like making Robocop was a miserable experience.

BMMachine

excellent film. best comic film by a country mile.
they reduced everything down and didnt overload it with meaningless crap and you know what, they got it bang right. Should be a lesson on how to construct a really quality comic book film...
but Guardians of the Galaxy is out next month and well I don't want to give the plot away but Rob Schneider derp de durr and then one day derp de derpy derpy derp and then a talking plant derp de derr with a racoon! But its from the makers of Durrr and Dumpility dump de derr de Derr and its part of the cinematic DERRRRRRR universe so you know its going to be good

Corvo

I absolutely loved it.

The violence was very welcome, I'm sick to death of comic book movies being toned down when some of the main characters (e.g. Wolverine) are in their essence extremely violent. It was a tad predictable, but not enough to turn me off it.

Just on the Adamantium poisoning, there is a part in the comics where Magneto rips it from Logan's body and his healing effects are enhanced, showing that maybe it in fact is slowly killing him? Or at least hindering him?

Seanachai

Malari wrote: »

I felt like this too. I go to almost all Marvel movies and if the central character of this movie wasn't Logan I might have skipped it, but very glad I didn't. I'm not usually a fan of such violence but it worked well here. I'm not one to remember details of incongruencies in movie timelines, but I felt that Logan referring to the comics as being 'not what really happened' was a sort of reflection of the CGI-heavy X-Men movies being one interpretation of a story and maybe not 100% accurate. Loved the film.

The lack of cgi was very refreshing, cgi makes me switch off at this stage. It has very little impact as it's usually just too cartoonish to have any significance. It's best used sparingly as a very subtle tool. Give me wire-flying, makeup ,good choreography and good hard graft from the actors any day.