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Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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She presented a documentary on rape culture during the week on RTE which focused on the issue of sexual assault against females. It's interesting to note her response to a (male) follower would tweeted that it would be hilarious to see a remake of Deliverance featuring "pissed up dickheads on a drunken stag". For anyone who's not seen the movie Deliverance its about three city dwellers who go for a weekend fishing to what could be described as a backwoods community. Central to the storyline is when they are held captive and one of them raped by a bunch of rednecks.

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johnnyskeleton

Grayson wrote: »

This thread is just a nasty echo chamber at this stage.

Well then, why dont you shake things up and address the points made that you disagree with, such as her mistaken belief that if there is a risk to a womans life as the law stands an abortion will not be done?

Widdershins

I think I've seen an example or two of people making false allegations, eventually admitting they were false but not really receiving a punishment. Hard to quantify how often it happens, I think?

Zulu

Grayson wrote: »

This thread is just a nasty echo chamber at this stage.

You know that there's an "unfollow" button, right?

Absolam

What flag?

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Just went back on the Government web site Central statistics office Recorded Crime Offence by garda division type of Offence to check the 34 Garda division type of Offences there is 71 off them Offences from homicide to custody breach etc I also tried criminal law act 1976/ which is for False accustions there was no record either off this what so ever so the Government /State/ Garda are keep no records of this Offences of people who make false accusations of rape from year to 2003 to 2016 but the keep records of all other Offences but not off false rape accusation this is Red Flag to me every one should have a look at this for them selfs If this true this should be on every newspaper in the country and on rte news tv3 news Red Flag Red Flag

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ivytwine wrote: »

Set one up? I mean in the States there's the Innocence Project, that helps people falsely accused of all sorts of crimes and it's international I think.

Like I don't know what you want anyone to say here. False accusations aren't common. We have a low conviction rate in this country. Rape itself is definitely a bigger issue than false accusations, surely?

I Just went on Government web site Central Statistics office Recorded Crime Offences 34 garda division type of Offences and years from 2003 to 2016 and typed in offence of false accusation/ Criminal law act 1976 it dos not come up as a Offences of any type or form? Every other Offence comes up under Offence type rape and sexual assault are all there so I Just found out that state /garda /goverment do not keep records of any type of false accusations but the keep records of all other types of crime this is a red flag to me and other people who look at this will see a Red Flag Red Flag

ivytwine

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

we have a rape support network but where is the network for false accused of rape network support? why is there none ?

Set one up? I mean in the States there's the Innocence Project, that helps people falsely accused of all sorts of crimes and it's international I think.

Like I don't know what you want anyone to say here. False accusations aren't common. We have a low conviction rate in this country. Rape itself is definitely a bigger issue than false accusations, surely?

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we have a rape support network but where is the network for false accused of rape network support? why is there none ?

ivytwine

Widdershins wrote: »

What! :mad:

Yep: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/rape-support-network-loses-its-funding-335406.html

http://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rape-crisis-network-reports-more-helpline-calls-despite-major-cut-in-funds-769200.html

Didn't realise it was as far back as 2015 (a sure sign of old age!) but that would have affected their services last year. Long term counselling, so for childhood abuse or historic assaults, has a waiting list of 6 months plus.

I'm not entirely sure why Tusla wanted the info. I'm not well up enough on data protection and the law to say. From a laywoman's view I can see why they didn't provide it but I don't know if I'm right.

Widdershins

ivytwine wrote: »

it was after the RCC refused to hand over details of its clients over to Tusla.

What! :mad:

Good on the Rcc but why did TUSLA want the information?

ivytwine

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Louise o Neill says we have rape culture in Ireland and funding gets cut 70%per cent what is louise o neill and her rape culture in Ireland saying about this?

Well that's one of my issues with this entire debate, important points like this get lost by people who should be calling attention to it. All of this info has been reported in the national news, it was after the RCC refused to hand over details of its clients over to Tusla. But it's not as glamorous as handwringing that every man you pass may rape you I guess.

mzungu

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

False accusation of rape are myths we are told by the same people who tells us we have a rape culture the likes of Louise o neill

False accusations would be quite rare.

ivytwine

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

False accusation of rape are myths we are told by the same people who tells us we have a rape culture the likes of Louise o neill

What?

I don't understand. I'm not saying they don't happen, but they don't happen frequently tbh.
Conviction rates for rape for Ireland is among the lowest in Europe at 7%, I found after a swift google. We definitely have a serious judicial problem with all sentencing for violent crime in this country. And that's where I feel energy could be better directed. But don't fret. Men aren't being locked up in some Salem type witch hunt just yet.

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ivytwine wrote: »

RCC got its funding cut by 70% last year, to answer one of your questions. Rape happens, most people do not falsely accuse. My beef with "rape culture" is that it doesn't address the issue in any practical manner.

Louise o Neill says we have rape culture in Ireland and funding gets cut 70%per cent

what is louise o neill and her rape culture in Ireland saying about this?

please helpThank YOU

ivytwine wrote: »

RCC got its funding cut by 70% last year, to answer one of your questions. Rape happens, most people do not falsely accuse. My beef with "rape culture" is that it doesn't address the issue in any practical manner.

False accusation of rape are myths we are told by the same people who tells us we have a rape culture the likes of Louise o neill

ivytwine

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Louise o Niell rape culture how many people have being convicted of rape in Ireland in last 5 years? how many people have being convicted of making false accusations of rape in the last 5 years ? how much funding has the rape crisis Centre and one in four received in last 5 years? how much facts when I mean Facts I mean people who have being convicted of rape in the last 5 years to prove what Louise o Neill rape culture Ireland claims and she got facts and figures to prove this hearsay?

RCC got its funding cut by 70% last year, to answer one of your questions. Rape happens, most people do not falsely accuse. My beef with "rape culture" is that it doesn't address the issue in any practical manner.

TheDavester

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Do you also find the people commenting on Donald Trump, really, really weird?

Or Katie Hopkins who'se basically LON on the other extreme end of the spectrum

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Louise o Niell rape culture how many people have being convicted of rape in Ireland in last 5 years? how many people have being convicted of making false accusations of rape in the last 5 years ? how much funding has the rape crisis Centre and one in four received in last 5 years? how much facts when I mean Facts I mean people who have being convicted of rape in the last 5 years to prove what Louise o Neill rape culture Ireland claims and she got facts and figures to prove this hearsay?

ivytwine

Grayson, I criticised LON for the way she acted regarding her non-appearance. Never called her a lying bitch. I guess for me it is a little bit personal. I dated someone who talked a very good social media game on these issues, but when it came to actually supporting someone emotionally or practically they couldn't cut the mustard. Still presumably talking a good game with little self awareness. Maybe I should take a step back, maybe she does have a legit excuse. I believe most of my posts here have been fair enough. Given some limited personal knowledge of the person in question with mutual friends etc, I don't think I'm over the line.

The thread started as far as I'm aware out of the programme LON hosted on RTE, 100% a legitimate source of discussion. If Brendan O'Connor hosted a show like this and it became a monster thread with some moronic comments on his appearance, would you have complained?

As it stands I personally have had some very interesting conversations arising out of this thread, stuff I've discussed in the wider world with people and have agreed and disagreed with.

"I think the version of feminism she espouses is very worthy of discussion. I have, personally, tried to keep it as far as I can to that. This brand of feminism is lazy, unthinking, glorying in victimhood, impractical, consumerist and middle class focussed, totally regurgitated from the United States, and as a woman, a survivor of sexual violence and a person who grew up in Irish poverty, I think it's important to point out that not all feminists buy into this brand wholesale."

Instead of saying posters who are (mostly) trying to have a civilised debate are bullying a woman in an echo chamber, would you care to have a read over the above I previously posted, because I stand over it?

red ears

Widdershins wrote: »

I don't think it was that far-fetched. I think there was a legislation change being discussed in the gentlemens forum here, regarding the subject. Hopefully you're correct.

That's what i worry about, the feminists are shouting loudly and getting noticed. Society is changing to suit their demands. Men quietly going about their business and maintain a sort of higher moral ground doesn't seem to be working out so well. Take the extreme example of what they have achieved in university campus's in America with the Title IX related expulsions. They tend to get a lot of what they want, how it affects men is not a major concern of theirs.

Widdershins

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh no. Just no. This kinda thing is precisely the kind of arm waving hysterical nonsense that drives wedges between people. Just like the witterings of Ms O'N and her ilk(and not just on her "side"). .

I don't think it was that far-fetched. I think there was a legislation change being discussed in the gentlemens forum here, regarding the subject. Hopefully you're correct.

Widdershins

Candie wrote: »

I don't think the thread should necessarily be shut down, but there seems to be an element of some people checking her social media platforms to mine things to criticise. I find that a bit distasteful as would most people, and there is a danger of a feeding frenzy mentality when her every public utterance is examined for an opportunity to complain.

Regarding the doctor, I got an appointment today for Monday morning and it's not something I can really postpone regardless of any other plans I may have had. I don't see why we can't extend the benefit of the doubt to someone when they say they have a doctors appointment that can't be delayed. There are plenty of reasons to call LON a hypocrite but that shouldn't be one of them.

I never heard of her outside of AH, which also begs the question that if people resent the publicity and exposure she has, then why are they giving her more?

The issue for me was that apparently she felt really strongly about going to Repeal thing. We've been hearing about it for a while now, on Boards at least. It's something that annoys me about people generally. I'd put myself out for something I felt strongly about. It's disappointing when others haven't the same level of enthusiasm underneath their talk, especially if it seems they don't appreciate that people are making sacrifices of their own so they can participate. Yes things sometimes come up and yes we should give the benefit of the doubt. I would be dubious in future though.If I followed her!

JRant

Candie wrote: »

I don't think the thread should necessarily be shut down, but there seems to be an element of some people checking her social media platforms to mine things to criticise. I find that a bit distasteful as would most people, and there is a danger of a feeding frenzy mentality when her every public utterance is examined for an opportunity to complain.

Regarding the doctor, I got an appointment today for Monday morning and it's not something I can really postpone regardless of any other plans I may have had. I don't see why we can't extend the benefit of the doubt to someone when they say they have a doctors appointment that can't be delayed. There are plenty of reasons to call LON a hypocrite but that shouldn't be one of them.

I never heard of her outside of AH, which also begs the question that if people resent the publicity and exposure she has, then why are they giving her more?

Well there is absolutely no reason for this thread to be closed down. It's actually refreshing to have a discussion that is quite informative and for the most part completely self policing. There has never been a chance of it becoming a feeding frenzy as the vast majority of posters just want to discuss the topic and have been quite critical when someone has overstepped the mark.

Wibbs

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Thank You widdershins very scary dark times ahead for Ireland with Louise o Neill rape culture we are gone back in time middle ages dark times like the Salem witch trials that in the 1668 Joseph glanvil claimed there was witches Witch Culture like Louise o Neill rape culture .

Eh no. Just no. This kinda thing is precisely the kind of arm waving hysterical nonsense that drives wedges between people. Just like the witterings of Ms O'N and her ilk(and not just on her "side"). That section of society that has some(thankfully small number) of women seeing rapists at every turn - often oddly disappointed that there aren't, so invent the "threat", and some (again thankfully small number) of men who are convinced that women are ganging up to invent rape charges agin them, while stealing their "masculine essence" and/or wallets. If my opinion on this thread could be summed up, it would be; step away from the daftness/get over oneself/normal people don't give a toss, they're too busy living actual lives.

Grayson wrote: »

This thread is just a nasty echo chamber at this stage.

...pity it's not one you happen to approve of it seems. And again with more of the hysterics going on. Nobody called the woman a "bitch" save for yourself. The vast vast majority of posts and posters have been playing the ball not the (wo)man. As for "Internet stalking"? More hysterics. Internet stalking a full time professional self promoter. journo, bloggist and gold level member of the Twitterati is akin to claiming shooting stuffed tigers in a public museum is hunting. Daft.

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I don't think the thread should necessarily be shut down, but there seems to be an element of some people checking her social media platforms to mine things to criticise. I find that a bit distasteful as would most people, and there is a danger of a feeding frenzy mentality when her every public utterance is examined for an opportunity to complain.

Regarding the doctor, I got an appointment today for Monday morning and it's not something I can really postpone regardless of any other plans I may have had. I don't see why we can't extend the benefit of the doubt to someone when they say they have a doctors appointment that can't be delayed. There are plenty of reasons to call LON a hypocrite but that shouldn't be one of them.

I never heard of her outside of AH, which also begs the question that if people resent the publicity and exposure she has, then why are they giving her more?

Widdershins

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Do you also find the people commenting on Donald Trump, really, really weird?

This. And so many other public figures are constantly on the receiving end of nothing but appearance focused, petty comments. LON and other similar minded 'feminists' make statements and their statements are talked about. It's an honour to be taken that seriously when frankly a lot of her views are barmy. But she gets a level of respect that many others, maybe especially men, don't get. Apart from a minority of comments that are not made in a with gravitas, like generally fairly innocuous (and often quite complimentary) remarks about her latest selfie.

anna080 wrote: »

If you're referring to what I said, I never said she lied about going to the doctor. In fact I believe she was at an appointment. What I don't get was why she alluded all week to be in attendance of the march last Wednesday. A march which she encouraged people to take the day off work for- yet was a no show herself- people debated her absence for a few pages and moved on in the discussion.

Many people only brought up the doctor/therapy/meeting points to say she would have known in advance she was going so why say she's going to the march. Nobody (AFAIK) said she was a "lying bitch" and never went to the doctor. If I'm wrong please point me to the post which stated that.

Exactly..it keeps being dragged back up, making it seem like a much bigger fuss was made over her non appearance.

If I thought this thread was a character assassination I'd have said so, and unfollowed it. I can differentiate between that and what it is, just commentary on her commentary.

retro:electro

Grayson wrote: »

Go back through the thread. You'll see that other posters brought up the doctors appointment and gave out **** about it. It's only a few pages back. I suggested that she might actually have had an appointment or need to go to a doctor. The **** that people said about her. People started saying she's lying about it. Or that it's not important and she should skip it for the march. Because she didn't skip it, she's a hypocrite.

Once again, I'm not the person who brought it up. Someone else did as a way to criticise her. All I said was that maybe she actually did have an appointment. I also said it's weird going on about her doctors appointment.

This thread has got to the stage where it's verging on internet stalking. Following her every social media post and commenting on her personal life. It's really, really weird.

If you're referring to what I said, I never said she lied about going to the doctor. In fact I believe she was at an appointment. What I don't get was why she alluded all week that she was to be in attendance of the march last Wednesday. A march which she encouraged people to take the day off work for- yet was a no show herself- people debated her absence for a few pages and moved on in the discussion.

Many people only brought up the doctor/therapy/meeting points to say she would have known in advance she was going to those so why say she's going to the march. Nobody (AFAIK) said she was a "lying bitch" and never went to the doctor. If I'm wrong please point me to the post which stated that.

JRant

Grayson wrote: »

Trying to get a thread shutdown? WTF are you talking about?

You know exactly what I'm on about Grayson and it's not very subtle.

Nobody bar you called her a bitch. Then you go on about the thread being creepy and weird. If not to get the thread shutdown then why?

There is for the most part a very good discussion going on here. Far better than what you are trying to portrait it as.

Sweetemotion

Grayson wrote: »

Go back through the thread. You'll see that other posters brought up the doctors appointment and gave out **** about it. It's only a few pages back. I suggested that she might actually have had an appointment or need to go to a doctor. The **** that people said about her. People started saying she's lying about it. Or that it's not important and she should skip it for the march. Because she didn't skip it, she's a hypocrite.

Once again, I'm not the person who brought it up. Someone else did as a way to criticise her. All I said was that maybe she actually did have an appointment. I also said it's weird going on about her doctors appointment.

This thread has got to the stage where it's verging on internet stalking. Following her every social media post and commenting on her personal life. It's really, really weird.

Do you also find the people commenting on Donald Trump, really, really weird?

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Grayson wrote: »

Firstly. Please use full stops. Secondly, what does the bolded bit mean? Thirdly I attached a screenshot.

Louise o Neill rape culture the ideas customs and social behaviour of particiular people or society now would Man/Women and Boy/Girl of rape culture we are in very dangerous times with this thinking and mind set come from people and who is back this Ridiculous absurd thinking who is behind this thing is there money to made in this ?