Live65a846d0ee wrote: » Absolutely false.
stefanovich wrote: » It's sad watching all these women at the height of their fertility protesting to have the right to abort.
mahamageehad wrote: » I would think Poland to have the highest percentage of believers. I think Ireland is far from first in Europe. I imagine Italy, Portugal, Croatia and a lot of Eastern Europe would rank higher than Ireland.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Poland is high. Loads go to mass here
jameorahiely wrote: » Don't feel bad, Germany has the right to life enshrined in their constitution too.
Live65a846d0ee wrote: » I think he means generations of brainwashing and indoctrination by religious zealots. Ireland has the highest faith level of any country in Europe. Almost all other countries are completely secular.
[Deleted User] wrote: » what the **** are you talking about?
ROVER_1912 wrote: » in fairness this should be a womans issue, therefore woman should vote on it, and woman should do the termination, never going to happen in ireland
Live65a846d0ee wrote: » The fact that abortion is illegal in this country in this day and age tells everything you need to know. No thanks, I will look at every other successful European country while you abuse your women in this country, absolute abuse as woman are forced to carry a child they don't want. Worst womans right in Europe, religious freaks talking ****e here.
Wibbs wrote: » Great post CC. IMH hits the nail on the head as far as the general population's attitudes. That would be my take on it and that thin end of the wedge is in play behind the scenes with a few as OutlawPete's post illustrates. So I'll be voting No for that very reason.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » I know that and you know that, but I do sometimes feel as if some of those advocating abortion on demand are in fact looking on it as a form of contraception, albeit a very unpleasant one. I just don't want to end up in a situation where you can simply walk in off the street, demand an abortion and get one with going through a proper well thought out process of talking with say a counselor, doctors etc, getting proper health checks (mentally and physically) and researching other alternatives to abortion etc.
Gunslinger92 wrote: » I really can't get my head around this "another form of contraception" argument. You do know that abortions are not exactly pleasant experiences? Do you really, honestly believe that some women would have such an attitude: "ah sure it'll be graaaand I'll go and get an aul abortion, not a bother." Don't be ridiculous
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Have said that I could not in good faith agree to Abortion on Demand - it's a much more complicated and deeper issue than that ideal suggests and I really fear that it could become just another form of contraception if such a system was introduced.
CroatoanCat wrote: » For these reasons, I am convinced a referendum to repeal the eighth referendum without any indication as to what will replace it will be lost. I'm in my 40s and I feel confident in saying that third trimester abortions will never be tolerated in this State in my lifetime. Indeed, I would even say with some certainty that second-trimester on-demand abortions are unlikely to be tolerated in this State in my lifetime. There simply is no majority support for such a regime.
People will simply not vote to repeal the eighth amendment if they feel there is any chance the Legislature could introduce something like that, now or in the foreseeable future.
secman wrote: » Just as well that when you were a 6 week old embryo you got a chance to live so.
ROVER_1912 wrote: » sorry i don't want to be putting words in your mouth or anything, but are you saying you feels bad cos ireland is the only nation that gives rights to an unborn child?
Calhoun wrote: » Item number one of the above is where the referendum will fail, that will be used as a stick to beat the repeal campaign with. See outlaw Pete's post above where to labour party members describe their strategic plan for the morons of Ireland. If the campaign focuses on the rest of the items it will probably succeed but any attempt to make it into a battle of the sexes i doubt will be looked upon kindly.
CroatoanCat wrote: » The eighth amendment and 2013 Act to be repealed, and: Abortion to be permitted: - In the first trimester, on demand; - In the second trimester, where: there is a diagnosis of fatal foetal abnormality; the pregnant female is aged 16 or under; or there is a risk to the health or life of the pregnant female from continuing the pregnancy; Termination of pregnancy via induction of labour in the third trimester, with the delivery of a live infant where possible, to be permitted where: - There is a risk to the health or life of the pregnant female from continuing the pregnancy; or - The pregnant female is aged 16 or under.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Exactly! It's not your problem. But it is a serious problem for the people faced with it. And you would favour the prolonging the problem for them!
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » As was pointed out gleefully here and elsewhere, there were only a few hundred of them. Hardly a reflection of the hundreds of thousands who will vote in a referendum? Just as it's wrong to say those who will vote on pro life lines are all a bunch of God fearing hard line Catholics!
Calhoun wrote: » Not an excuse, did you miss the news bulletins happening all day? or did you happen to be in the crowd with them? Why stand over this type of identity politics? Anyway goodnight.
Calhoun wrote: » That as they say is not my problem, if it costs so much maybe think about what your doing before you go at it. Or at least get the partner to cough up .
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » It's the same everywhere. And it's the same excuse everywhere. Good night!
Calhoun wrote: » It's not as simple as that though is it, otherwise this would have been voted on years ago. Its a very divisive issue and its also a symbol of the Ireland we want to be, if we could have a mature conversation on this without the identify politic crap id for sure say this could get across the line.However when we live in an Ireland where its an US v Them attitude and the only vote that matters is that of female members of society.
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