Wibbs wrote: » So the same thing. And why?
But the mother doesn't? Woman decides to have abortion at 20 odd weeks, another woman decides that her/their premature "baby" at 20 odd weeks should live? Fathers seem to be outa the loop until their wallets are in play.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Hmm. I'm planning to masturbate soon. Should I stop and instead find a female to procreate with? After all, it will be the destruction of a potential life?
The_Valeyard wrote: » Poster today "No Uterus, No Opinion" F*ck off. Until you magic up a baby without doing the no pants dance, men get a say.
One eyed Jack wrote: » No it wouldn't. Sperm on it's own has no potential to develop into anything other than sperm. That's why the "is having a period abortion" nonsense doesn't work either.
MightyMandarin wrote: » The whole 'men don't deserve an opinion on the matter' argument is shambolic at best. First off, what about the hundreds of men at the march today, if they had no right to an opinion on the matter then why the **** did you invite them out? Most importantly though, it's got nothing to do with women vs men (personally I think militant feminists are the only ones conjuring up this nonsense, but that's for another thread) it's simply the way biology works. If men could give birth aswell, my opinion wouldn't change the slightest bit on the matter. Does me being a lad mean I have the same understanding of pregnancy and childbirth as a mother? Absolutely ****ing not, but to say I have no right to an opinion on the matter is the exact same as saying only homosexuals should've been allowed to have an opinion on the marriage referendum. In short, like most of the things I saw on show from that march today, it's a load of bollocks.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Abortion is fundamentally an argument of choice and control.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Absolutely, and that choice is of course the choice to be legally able to end another human being's life and the control you reference I suspect would be getting to decide (via exercising the aforementioned choice) if that human being's heartbeat gets to continue to beat or not. The ultimate form of control when you think about it (some might substitute the word 'bullying' for 'control' though - given the developing human being's state of defenselessness and all and that but a minor point best addressed at another stage perhaps). Choice and control. It sure is all about that. Well said.
Calhoun wrote: » I have decided at this point if this does go to a referendum vote even though i believe in pro-choice i will be voting no .
JupiterKid wrote: » The funny thing is - I don't hear what the "pro-life" brigade have to say about the welfare of children that actually ARE born. They are pretty quiet on that issue.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Hahaha Akin to the "I have decided at this point that due to the bullying tactics of the Yes campaign, I am going to vote No in the same-sex marriage referendum" posts two year's ago. That kind of intellectual dishonesty adds about as much to the conversation as the liberal discourse you complain about! Come on!
Calhoun wrote: » I have decided at this point if this does go to a referendum vote even though i believe in pro-choice i will be voting no. When it comes to my constitutional right to vote being questioned what it comes down to is do i reward that behavior. As harsh as that may sound because i know there is allot of really bad cases we have to start drawing the line with this type of liberal politics.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » A convincing argument too. I admit, I don't like the idea of abortions. And I believe most pro choice people feel the same way, which is why we'd hope for very few! But the idea of forcing a person to perform a pregnancy is something I cannot accept as pertaining to a humane society.
Grayson wrote: » So, you'd vote to make women carry unwanted pregnancies to term, even though you believe they have the right to terminate it, because you feel pissed off with a few women?
Calhoun wrote: » I don't see how its dishonest, since the same sex referendum the SJW's have been out in force believing that they right the book on everything in Ireland. I voted yes that time but will not be doing it this time. Come off of it yourself do you defend that type of action should i shut up because i have male parts? Please sir how should i vote, i am too dumb to know how.
freshpopcorn wrote: » Theirs a massive difference between the marriage referendum and repealing the eight amendment and I feel a lot of people involved in the repeal campaign can't see this!
Calhoun wrote: » They can go to the UK can't they, even if we did repeal the 8th we would apparently only be changing the rules for a select few cases.
Calhoun wrote: » Smoke screen, trying to paint the picture that the pro-choice side dont see it as a push towards full abortion like in the UK. That is what the loudest voices in the pro-choice side are shouting for.
Calhoun wrote: » That is what the loudest voices in the pro-choice side are shouting for.
Abortion tapes sting: Labour duo reveal plan to liberalise law bit by bit Fine Gael fears that Labour wants to usher in 'abortion on demand' confirmed by recordings TWO Labour TDs, who were secretly recorded by a pro-life activist purporting to be pro-choice, have revealed their party's intention to further liberalise Ireland's abortion laws once legislation for the X Case has been passed. Dublin North Central TD Aodhan O Riordain said the X Case legislation was only "a starting point" but added that he said he would not state this publicly, while Wicklow TD Anne Ferris said that attempts to widen the legislation would commence in the next Government, should Labour remain in office. Ms Ferris said: "We will legislate certainly for what the European Court has told us to and then we can go further than that . . . we get the first part done and then we will go on to the next bit." She added: "People aren't going to vote Fianna Fail back into power again, so I would say then next term it will happen." In relation to the X Case legislation, Mr O Riordain said: "It is a starting point. Once you get that . . . then you can move . . . and of course if I'm on the radio and somebody says to me, 'It's a starting point for abortion on demand', I'm gonna say, 'No, of course it isn't – it is what it is.'" Edited transcripts of the conversations, which were recorded at the TDs' constituency offices last June, are published in the Sunday Independent today. Asked about her actions, which some would see as deception or entrapment, she replied: "They are public representatives. And I think if a public representative is saying one thing in public but reassuring a select group of activists who support them on (that) one issue in private . . . that is something that is of massive concern and that's something that the public needs to know about." Yesterday, Mr O Riordain expressed his deep disappointment at being taped against his will. He said: "This was a taped conversation and I wasn't willing to be taped and I am pretty disappointed that you are touching it – and that is pretty much all I have to say."
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Are you serious? Vote on the issue! It's a referendum; Not an election. You're not electing the more extreme members of the Repeal campaign into Government!
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » It costs a lot of money including flights etc. Many can't afford it. Why not simply let people have the procedure closer to where they live? Whether it is restricted abortion or abortion on demand, the hope is still for as few abortions as possible.
Calhoun wrote: » It's not as simple as that though is it, otherwise this would have been voted on years ago. Its a very divisive issue and its also a symbol of the Ireland we want to be, if we could have a mature conversation on this without the identify politic crap id for sure say this could get across the line.However when we live in an Ireland where its an US v Them attitude and the only vote that matters is that of female members of society.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » It's the same everywhere. And it's the same excuse everywhere. Good night!
Calhoun wrote: » That as they say is not my problem, if it costs so much maybe think about what your doing before you go at it. Or at least get the partner to cough up .
Calhoun wrote: » Not an excuse, did you miss the news bulletins happening all day? or did you happen to be in the crowd with them? Why stand over this type of identity politics? Anyway goodnight.
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » Exactly! It's not your problem. But it is a serious problem for the people faced with it. And you would favour the prolonging the problem for them!
Arcade_Tryer wrote: » As was pointed out gleefully here and elsewhere, there were only a few hundred of them. Hardly a reflection of the hundreds of thousands who will vote in a referendum? Just as it's wrong to say those who will vote on pro life lines are all a bunch of God fearing hard line Catholics!
