Sweetemotion wrote: » What values would you be teaching these women, that have been forced into concentration camps for "re-education"?
Wibbs wrote: » Which completely ignores the reason why many if not most would take issue with late term abortions where the foetus is beyond the survivable outside the womb stage. What the actual hell? So according to this statement and while they might not approve of it(though I'm giving benefits of the doubt there), they'd be OK with a healthy foetus being aborted at say 30 weeks, or beyond? Apparently there's no right or wrong time. Get off the stage.
infogiver wrote: » A 40 week baby is not a baby it's a foetus. Apparently female healthcare professionals providing ante natal care never EVER call a 40 week foetus a baby. It's a foetus. Can you even imagine the level of denial needed to cope with a day's work?
[Deleted User] wrote: » How the Hell could abortions be facilitated in a country that cannot find beds for seriously ill people? https://www.inmo.ie/trolley_ward_watch
Grayson wrote: » Are you annoyed that medical professionals use medical terms?
Here we go wrote: » As someone who's pro life I find this a cheap argument it as Notting to do with religion or sexism or a lack of respect for women it's the belief that the unborn are just as important as me or you or anyone else and should be protected I feel terrible for women who find them selfs in a situation where they feel they need an abortion but as bad as I feel for them I feel worse for the child who I belive is a life haveing zero say there life over before it enters the world
infogiver wrote: » Not annoyed . Sad. When I was having my baby all the health professionals during my pregnancy referred to my daughter as my "baby". When did that stop and why?
Grayson wrote: » Could you demonstrate why? Most prolifers I know, including the ones I see on here, seem to assume that an embryo is the same as a fully developed human and deserves the same rights. Care to elaborate your reasoning as to why? You might even convert someone to your cause if your logic is strong enough. (BTW, note I said embryo. I said that for a reason. An embryo is up to 8 weeks. By using such an early stage it provides a strong contrast. Any argument that is able to demonstrate that can easily be extended to later stages).
fatknacker wrote: » Let's say the average Irish person lives around 1.5 hours from the airport and that's being generous. An hour before check in and an hour for flight including taking off and landing and disembarking. Then maybe an hour to the clinic, thats 4.5 hours travelling just to get to the clinic. Not accounting for traffic, delays, rural dwellers etc. And then the same all the way back or perhaps forking out for a crappy hotel too. All without raising an eyebrow from anyone close to them. I wouldn't say it's the exact same thing, really.
One eyed Jack wrote: » I read the same case, no mention that she is pregnant, only that she has been charged with allegedly raping a man, and as far as I'm aware in the UK, the charge of rape means the alleged victim was penetrated, not the alleged rapist.
meeeeh wrote: » So how many of those do you know of happening?
One eyed Jack wrote: » A child is not a possession that a man can simply "give up all rights to",
he would still be obliged to pay to maintain the child, regardless of whether he wants to or not.
jameorahiely wrote: » Nice way of dodging the question (which included an if btw). I didn't see you jumping in with the same response to the story of the woman who was allegedly gangraped.
martingriff wrote: » Am I missing something here. We have Abortion laws for certain things and repelling the Eight will do nothing to change that right? Yes it will help with the doctors making the decision easier so they do not think they be charged with the law. We will not suddenly have abortion on demand. Changing the abortion laws would be a separate referendum question
Wibbs wrote: » Hmm, it seems to be "a bunch of cells" when it's the woman's decision.
So he has zero say in the child whether it lives or dies before birth, but then through the magic of a few weeks, which some like the aforementioned muppets seem happy to be OK with, he is now financially responsible? Biology when it suits, not so much otherwise.
Grayson wrote: » BTW, note I said embryo. I said that for a reason. An embryo is up to 8 weeks. By using such an early stage it provides a strong contrast. Any argument that is able to demonstrate that can easily be extended to later stages.
One eyed Jack wrote: » I've never personally used that phrase, and in previous threads I've always pointed out that anyone who does use it, or terms like 'parasite', etc, to describe unborn human life, really isn't helping themselves.
Well he has zero say before the child is born, because he's not a father.
If the child is born, then yes, of course he's financially responsible for that child, whether he wants to be or not, legally he is.
It's not biology when it suits at all, but there is no way legally a man could ever force a woman to have an abortion.
JupiterKid wrote: » Why does every single thread on abortion here inevitably end up in name calling and mud slinging, in distortions and lies given as opinions.
JupiterKid wrote: » The funny thing is - I don't hear what the "pro-life" brigade have to say about the welfare of children that actually ARE born. They are pretty quiet on that issue.
I'm firmly pro-choice, within reason.
JupiterKid wrote: » Why does every single thread on abortion here inevitably end up in name calling and mud slinging, in distortions and lies given as opinions? Limited abortion for certain cases with a time limit (with exception for medical emergencies) should be introduced in Ireland. Ireland needs to get in line with the rest of the developed world. And yes, whether some posters here want to hear it or not, years of religious brainwashing in their formative years has made many, many Irish people vehemently so-called "pro-life". The funny thing is - I don't hear what the "pro-life" brigade have to say about the welfare of children that actually ARE born. They are pretty quiet on that issue. I'm firmly pro-choice, within reason.
Grayson wrote: » Never knew it was a fixed thing. Also you said female healthcare professionals. Why female?
Wibbs wrote: » Let's call a spade a spade here, abortion is the destruction of a potential life and it has a sliding scale going on. On that scale the morning after pill is a large remove from surgically removing a healthy foetus at 30+ weeks. And you know that's cool if we majority think as a society that they may be equal under cultural laws and morality, but hiding the realities under semantics is a little naive.
jameorahiely wrote: » Limited abortion in certain cases is already available here.
