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The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

carsfan

Any body with either of these able to advise on what the real world economy is of these?
There is not much between them in purchase price.
The gtd 625 euro more.
I do 25000km a year and really would prefer the gti but my head tells me the gtd is what I should be looking at.
I've only driven the gti and found it very entertaining.
Dealer says resale is the same for both of them. There is only 90 euro difference in road tax and insurance the same so fuel costs are the main financial difference.

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vintagevrs

I presume choosing options on the configurator giving no price is Vrt related. Some wheel options and sunroof can change the co2 rating and potentially move the car into a different band and they are probably in process with revenue getting those rates agreed. Could be wrong.

Interesting thoughts on people's preference of the GTI over the R. I get it too, and probably something that VW will struggle to get away from. For example the new Focus RS is 4wd and as far as I know Ford fans embraced it. VW won't do that with the GTI and instead have the R, but plenty of folks won't buy an R because it's not a GTI!

JoeA3

hooch-85 wrote: »

Were there many pre-facelift PP GTi's sold here?

Keeping an eye on the market as I'd like one in a couple of more years but there are not many out there at all, it looks like there were more R's sold really. Also many of the non-PPs are down badly on spec, no Xenon's, 18's etc.

The standard spec across the board was rubbish until late 2014.

I believe the R well outsold the GTI in the last 2 years. I saw figures somewhere that only around 30-40 GTI's sold last year compared to around 150 R's.

MarkN

On the seats...

"@ Hi - it is currently €879 on the GTI and should be in and around that with the new one."

JoeA3

MarkN wrote: »

On the seats...

"@ Hi - it is currently €879 on the GTI and should be in and around that with the new one."

Yup. As vintage said above, some items have wrong or ambiguous pricing probably due to VRT/revenue issues not being fully tied up.

Hebegeebee

There were no PP's available for 162 as they were pulled by VW here in favour of the CS. So any 162 ones about are built well before that.

st332

What are people's thoughts on wheels? Although I prefer the GTI styling to the R styling, the one issue with the new GTI is the aptly named "Milton Keynes" alloys. The Pretorias look great (and are wider - 8 vs. 7.5 I think) but aren't available on the GTI. I like the look of the Bresicas but I think they would be hard to live with. The Santiagos look difficult to clean with all the thin openings and are also diamond cut.
I would imagine the 19" wheels are going to be harder to keep and easier to buckle and scratch and will give a less forgiving ride.
My current inclination would be to stick with the MK's, with a close second of the Brescias.
Does DCC counteract some of the increased harshness that might come with picking 19" rims over 18" rims?

JoeA3

st332 wrote: »

What are people's thoughts on wheels? Although I prefer the GTI styling to the R styling, the one issue with the new GTI is the aptly named "Milton Keynes" alloys. The Pretorias look great (and are wider - 8 vs. 7.5 I think) but aren't available on the GTI. I like the look of the Bresicas but I think they would be hard to live with. The Santiagos look difficult to clean with all the thin openings and are also diamond cut.
I would imagine the 19" wheels are going to be harder to keep and easier to buckle and scratch and will give a less forgiving ride.
My current inclination would be to stick with the MK's, with a close second of the Brescias.
Does DCC counteract some of the increased harshness that might come with picking 19" rims over 18" rims?

I'd be inclined to go with the Brescias as the "least worst" option... which is damning when they cost the bones of 800 quid. Others might suggest just going for the standard wheels and then sourcing prets or some non-OEM wheel afterwards but personally I wouldn't be inclined to be at that messing with a new car.

I've prets on the R and no DCC and the ride is fine. It's all relative and depends what you're used to. I have heard the santiagos can be brittle and for some reason (not sure if this will be the case with the FL), the tyre profile on the Santiagos is lower than that on the prets (25's versus 35's I think). I'd probably be inclined to opt for DCC to be sure... anyone who has opted for it mostly seem to say it's a great feature.

GustavoFring

I love the little German joke calling the Milton Keynes. Both a bit meh:pac:

kooga

GustavoFring wrote: »

I love the little German joke calling the Milton Keynes. Both a bit meh:pac:

on the uk brochure the standard GTI wheels are called Parker

JoeA3

The names of the same options and colours vary from one market to another. Keeps the morketing types busy I guess.

Hebegeebee

I never liked the Austins and don't like the MK/Parker now. I prefer the Brescia over the Santiago but I don't like diamond cut wheels. Unless I find the PR number for other wheels I'll probably stick with the MK/Parker and buy something else and sell the MK/Parkers. I'll be buying aftermarket wheels/tyres for Winter duties.
There is another option on the German GTi configurator, Sevilla black-red that are not offered here, are not diamond cut, that look nice but will be a PITA to clean. I'd choose those over the MK/Parker in an instant if they were available.

douglaslad

Hebegeebee wrote: »

I never liked the Austins and don't like the MK/Parker now. I prefer the Brescia over the Santiago but I don't like diamond cut wheels. Unless I find the PR number for other wheels I'll probably stick with the MK/Parker and buy something else and sell the MK/Parkers. I'll be buying aftermarket wheels/tyres for Winter duties.
There is another option on the German GTi configurator, Sevilla black-red that are not offered here, are not diamond cut, that look nice but will be a PITA to clean. I'd choose those over the MK/Parker in an instant if they were available.

Another option on the German configurator are the 18" black gloss Pretoria's, I inquired about these with my local dealership parts dept. this morning and they are priced here at €312 plus vat a corner. They weigh 11.5KG which is 2KG heavier that the 19" Prets and therefore are no way the same manufacturing spec.

tossy

douglaslad wrote: »

Another option on the German configurator are the 18" black gloss Pretoria's, I inquired about these with my local dealership parts dept. this morning and they are priced here at €312 plus vat a corner. They weigh 11.5KG which is 2KG heavier that the 19" Prets and therefore are no way the same manufacturing spec.

There are different ways of casting/forging wheels that would lead to different weights 2kg's a corner is nothing, i presume people realise these weights are the rim only, a tyre adds at least 10kgs a corner.

dar83

tossy wrote: »

There are different ways of casting/forging wheels that would lead to different weights 2kg's a corner is nothing, i presume people realise these weights are the rim only, a tyre adds at least 10kgs a corner.

I wouldn't say it's nothing, it's still a 25% increase on the original Prets weight, when it's the "same" alloy/design but smaller. In the grand scheme of things though you're right, unless you're looking to exclusively track it or shave milliseconds off your 1/4 mile time, then you're not really going to notice much. It basically shows that they're not forged and are most likely cast, makes them pretty different to the original Pretoria's (as if the price didn't give that away already that is). :P

Neilw

19" Pretoria wheels aren't in the same league strength wise as the likes of bbs or oz.
They are a soft wheel and prone to cracking, I've seen plenty of damaged ones for sale on eBay.

JoeA3

The first of the facelifts have already started appearing in UK dealers...

Hebegeebee

douglaslad wrote: »

Another option on the German configurator are the 18" black gloss Pretoria's, I inquired about these with my local dealership parts dept. this morning and they are priced here at €312 plus vat a corner. They weigh 11.5KG which is 2KG heavier that the 19" Prets and therefore are no way the same manufacturing spec.

Thanks for that info Douglaslad. As you and others have said they're not likely to be forged like their bigger brothers so at that weight.

Hebegeebee

Looks like the new GTi Performance pack is breaking cover at the Geneva Motor Show - https://youtu.be/nDQtfIfOblM/

Please let these be the standard alloys on the PP, please! Looks very good IMO

Comhrá

Hebegeebee wrote: »

Looks like the new GTi Performance pack is breaking cover at the Geneva Motor Show - https://youtu.be/nDQtfIfOblM/

Please let these be the standard alloys on the PP, please! Looks very good IMO

Yeah, they're a lot nicer than what's on offer here.

JoeA3

Hebegeebee wrote: »

Looks like the new GTi Performance pack is breaking cover at the Geneva Motor Show - https://youtu.be/nDQtfIfOblM/

Please let these be the standard alloys on the PP, please! Looks very good IMO

Doubtful. I don't think the GTI PP will have any spec differences barring the obvious mechanical stuff.

st332

The Performance version is up on the german configurator, now a €2500 premium on the non-performance.
The good news is that, with the new gerabox, the DSG Performance version has the lowest emissions and best fuel economy of all the GTIs.
It's about double the premium charged for the Mk7 performance pack though.

version|l/100km|g CO2| price(3dr)
GTI Man|6.4|148|29975
GTI DSG|6.3|145|31975
GTI-P Man|6.5|148|32475
GTI-P DSG|6.3|144|34475

kooga

st332 wrote: »

The Performance version is up on the german configurator, now a €2500 premium on the non-performance.
The good news is that, with the new gerabox, the DSG Performance version has the lowest emissions and best fuel economy of all the GTIs.
It's about double the premium charged for the Mk7 performance pack though.

version|l/100km|g CO2| price(3dr)
GTI Man|6.4|148|29975
GTI DSG|6.3|145|31975
GTI-P Man|6.5|148|32475
GTI-P DSG|6.3|144|34475

all €390 a year

JoeA3

kooga wrote: »

all €390 a year

Ya so it's all much of a muchness. Wasn't there always approx 2k between the non pp and the pp?
The old non pp was in the lower tax bracket.

Neilw

I see the manual R has crept into the €750 tax bracket, DSG is still €570.

JoeA3

Neilw wrote: »

I see the manual R has crept into the €750 tax bracket, DSG is still €570.

Yeah that'll fairly kill the already small market for the manual option.
The prices all seem to have crept up a significant amount.

carsfan2

OSI wrote: »

Manual was 280, pretty sure DSG brought it up to 390 regardless of PP. Can't remember the exact figure for the performance pack previously, but it was a good bit less than 2.5k. You could get a 5 door with PP, DSG, metallic and tech pack for ~40k if you got them at the right moment last year.

I seem to remember pp was about 1200/1300 euro before.
There have been big enough increases in price all round it seems.
A nice spec R looks to be as much as an equivalent Audi s3 now.
Wait for 172 offers perhaps to improve things.

dar83

Based on the pic above from the car in the UK and the video of the PP version, it looks like only the PP gets the red highlighting now on the grille etc... the standard GTI has silver like the pre-facelift GTD.

JoeA3

dar83 wrote: »

Based on the pic above from the car in the UK and the video of the PP version, it looks like only the PP gets the red highlighting now on the grille etc... the standard GTI has silver like the pre-facelift GTD.

Nah, that's just down to it being a poor enough photo.

It'll be same as before. Red badges on the PP.

JoeA3

carsfan2 wrote: »

I seem to remember pp was about 1200/1300 euro before.
There have been big enough increases in price all round it seems.
A nice spec R looks to be as much as an equivalent Audi s3 now.
Wait for 172 offers perhaps to improve things.

Yup. I mentioned this in a previous post, but my car would have RRP'd at around 49k. I had a go on the configurator earlier this week and the same car would come out at around 52.5k now. It's much easier to get into mid 50's now by ticking a few options.

Hebegeebee

carsfan2 wrote: »

I seem to remember pp was about 1200/1300 euro before.
There have been big enough increases in price all round it seems.
A nice spec R looks to be as much as an equivalent Audi s3 now.
Wait for 172 offers perhaps to improve things.

That was my recollection of the difference between the mk7 GTi and the PP too.

The German configurator shows that Active info display is standard on the PP over the GTi so that's €510 off the €2500 difference in the price straight away. It'll probably be more than the Mk7 price difference but shouldn't be as much as the €2500 we're seeing on the German website. We'll have to wait and see.