RicePat wrote: » Fine. INDEPENDENT studies. At least two I can think of, and a pretty interesting book on the topic written by a former Labour special advisor to the north ( https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/a-united-ireland ) , all say youre wrong. The main reason the north is a basket case is because of partition, a situation that would be remedied with reunification. This is marked out clearly in both INDEPENDENT studies. Have a gander yourselfhttp://politicaleconomy.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/MB-unity.pdf The Economic Case for Irish Unity by Michael Burke ( Economic consultant and former senior international economist at Citibank in London) presented to the European parliament in December.http://prcg.com/modeling-irish-unification/report.pdf Modelling Irish Unification (lack of "re" in the title should please you) by Dr. Kurt Hubner (professor at the Political Science Department of University of British Columbia and holder of the Jean Monnet Chair for European Integration and Global Political Economy, specialising in European integration in the context of the global political economy) and his research team, modelling system devised by Dr. Renger Van Nieuwkoop (Lecturer and researcher at ETH Zurich, Switzerland, Director and Founder Modelworks, Thun, specialising in advanced applied computational equilibrium modeling.) Just in case you were worried about their independence
blanch152 wrote: » A quick google search shows the link behind all of these reports:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Red_Branch_Inc Hardly independent.
RicePat wrote: » From your own link "The study was commissioned by K[nights of the].R[ed].B[ranch Inc]., a San Francisco Bay area–based nonprofit social welfare organization that promotes social welfare and conflict resolution through education." Yeah they sound fierce biased. So rather than actually read the reports you spent your time trying to dig up dirt on the group that commissioned one of the reports (even though that would still have little bearing on the result). Yup, that pretty much sums up your contributions here
blanch152 wrote: » I have read them before and read all about the Knights of the Red Branch before. It is effectively a fund-raising mechanism for SF in the USA. One of the biggest issues in the US at the moment in the research area is the concept of researchers for hire who will deliver the result you want from "independent" research. In fact, it isn't even at the moment, remember all those studies funded by cigarette companies that said smoking doesn't cause cancer. I think you will find very few people willing to take at face value a study funded by a SF-linked organisation that says a united Ireland is economically beneficial.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Newton Emerson makes that point in an article in today's Irish Times.SF playing a long game here and some would say it is running rings around the DUP's inability to change. Interesting times.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You do know that whenever a report/thesis is published it is paid for by somebody? I don't doubt that there are problems with the report but there is with any so far. .
blanch152 wrote: » Grand, you should keep smoking too, based on the health benefits identified by the studies funded by cigarette companies.
Jayop wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » It doesn't happen for Sinn Fein in Southern elections. They never get close to government. Proper government, not some bitch ass attempt to seem relevant. lol, aye ok. 2016 23/158 seats 14.56% 2011 14/166 seats 8.43% 2007 4/166 seats 2.41% 2002 5/166 seats 3.01% 1997 1/166 seats = 0.60% See that percentage increase. The same thing was happening in the north and you blindly said that it would never translate to them getting close to a majority. We'll guess what, that day has come in NI where the nationalists have a majority and by the looks of the election results in the South, it's only so long before FFG will be unable to avoid going into power with them too. SF are now polling at around 23% and that number fits in nicely with the numbers above and the steady increase. / Tiocfaidh ár lá
A Little Pony wrote: » It doesn't happen for Sinn Fein in Southern elections. They never get close to government. Proper government, not some bitch ass attempt to seem relevant.
blanch152 wrote: » RicePat wrote: » From your own link "The study was commissioned by K[nights of the].R[ed].B[ranch Inc]., a San Francisco Bay area–based nonprofit social welfare organization that promotes social welfare and conflict resolution through education." Yeah they sound fierce biased. So rather than actually read the reports you spent your time trying to dig up dirt on the group that commissioned one of the reports (even though that would still have little bearing on the result). Yup, that pretty much sums up your contributions here I have read them before and read all about the Knights of the Red Branch before. It is effectively a fund-raising mechanism for SF in the USA. One of the biggest issues in the US at the moment in the research area is the concept of researchers for hire who will deliver the result you want from "independent" research. In fact, it isn't even at the moment, remember all those studies funded by cigarette companies that said smoking doesn't cause cancer. I think you will find very few people willing to take at face value a study funded by a SF-linked organisation that says a united Ireland is economically beneficial.
A Little Pony wrote: » Yep. Clearly a biased report full of absolute nonsense. I am surprised some fell for it.
A Little Pony wrote: » Nationalism doesn't have a majority. Too many deluding themselves over the election. I have already forgotten about it generally. Most know the DUP didn't prepare for it and the Unionist people didn't bother to get out to vote, including myself. Next time will be different.
RicePat wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » Nationalism doesn't have a majority. Too many deluding themselves over the election. I have already forgotten about it generally. Most know the DUP didn't prepare for it and the Unionist people didn't bother to get out to vote, including myself. Next time will be different. He says as he continues posting in a thread about it five days after the election took place
RicePat wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » Yep. Clearly a biased report full of absolute nonsense. I am surprised some fell for it. Have you read ANY of them?
A Little Pony wrote: » Go read the statement from the Irish politician on the wikipedia page who said the ROI simply can't afford Northern Ireland. He said on live TV. I saw him saying it at the time.
A Little Pony wrote: » Nationalists should enjoy the little victory over Protestants right now but it won't last. The amount of people I have spoken to who didn't vote saying to me they will vote next time is incredible.
Go read the statement from the Irish politician..
on the wikipedia page
who said the ROI simply can't afford Northern Ireland. He said on live TV. I saw him saying it at the time.
RicePat wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » Nationalists should enjoy the little victory over Protestants right now but it won't last. The amount of people I have spoken to who didn't vote saying to me they will vote next time is incredible. THERE IT IS! There's your problem right there. You tried your best but you just couldnt help but sectarianise it. This election was a victory of progressive forces over the regressive, religious fundamentalist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, anti-women forces of the DUP. The numbers alone show that plenty of people of all religious persuasions and none voted to give the DUP the kick in the teeth it badly needed. Your attitude is disgusting
A Little Pony wrote: » Maybe you have been living in a bubble but go read the history of Ulster. That is what this place is like, it is about the land, territory, progressiveness vs Conservationism. A progressive liberal way of life vs a rural traditional way of life, Republican vs Unionist, Protestant vs Catholic. And I say all that with Catholic family members. And I make no apologies as an Ulster conservative over which side I am. I love the Union, I can make no apology for that either. It is in my interests to defend it and cherish it until the day I die.
listermint wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » Maybe you have been living in a bubble but go read the history of Ulster. That is what this place is like, it is about the land, territory, progressiveness vs Conservationism. A progressive liberal way of life vs a rural traditional way of life, Republican vs Unionist, Protestant vs Catholic. And I say all that with Catholic family members. And I make no apologies as an Ulster conservative over which side I am. I love the Union, I can make no apology for that either. It is in my interests to defend it and cherish it until the day I die. Well thankfully the majority of people don't share your sentiments Especially your youngers. And we can all rejoice in that fact
A Little Pony wrote: » Im 27. I can't change my views on the Union. It is just part of me.
listermint wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » Im 27. I can't change my views on the Union. It is just part of me. No one asked you to change. But most people don't share your views. They are narrow . Not very worldy and frankly don't fit in with a modern democracy. But thats the point democracy will Syphon them off into the ether
A Little Pony wrote: » The majority support the Union. So it isn't some fringe view at all. Please don't try and spread fake news.
listermint wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » The majority support the Union. So it isn't some fringe view at all. Please don't try and spread fake news. Okay, we've been here before . <snip> I won't use the term I think you know the 2 words well
A Little Pony wrote: » So what is it then? Its misinformation at best to anyone looking in. Unionism is not a fringe view in Northern Ireland. Its the most widely held view regarding the constitutional question on the state.
