frostyjacks wrote: » You're wrong. The father needs to know. Doctors need to know. We all need to know why a woman would do such an evil act. It's not her body to decide on. If she didn't want to get pregnant, then don't get pregnant. It's not unreasonable to ask of these modern, intelligent women who suddenly have an opinion on literally everything.
frostyjacks wrote: » It's not unreasonable to ask of these modern, intelligent women who suddenly have an opinion on literally everything.
frostyjacks wrote: » You're wrong. The father needs to know. Doctors need to know. We all need to know why a woman would do such an evil act.
frostyjacks wrote: » It's not her body to decide on. If she didn't want to get pregnant, then don't get pregnant.
frostyjacks wrote: » It's not her body to decide on.
If she didn't want to get pregnant, then don't get pregnant.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » While it's the Daily Fail and the OP has a rather skewed view IMHO, it's far from certain the majority favour abortion under similar circumstances to the UK.
smacl wrote: » They probably don't, but the reason for this is that they can have an abortion on demand in the UK on the Q.T. whenever it suits while still wringing their hands about the evils of abortion. It really is the height of hypocrisy.
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Cabaal wrote: » Once again hitting the nail on the head, no mention on the Youth Defense facebook page about how outraged there were over Tuam. Same goes for Iona. You could argue it wouldn't be suitable for Youth Defense to comment on the matter but there is no excuse for Iona.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » Well pretty much on demand, but it's not the only thing that's illegal here and legal there. Sex with 16 year olds and prostitution are legal in the UK but we don't necessarily inform our laws from what's 30 minutes on a plane away.
I take your point though. Would people still have the same opinion if the option wasn't available 'in an emergency' in the UK? I have to admit I'm not so sure it would be.
volchitsa wrote: » No, but it's a lot more than that, we had a referendum to decide whether or not we would allow women to do so. If we'd done the same for underage or homosexual sex, while keeping it illegal here, you may be sure the hypocrisy would not have gone unremarked. In fact I feel sure it would have led to Irish law being aligned with it in short order.
volchitsa wrote: » It's not impossible that we may have reason to test that, with Brexit. If that did happen, and I hope it won't, the first death of a woman from an illegal abortion here would certainly make the country sit up and think about things.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » Sorry I didn't really catch the point there. We've had rather different opinions from the Brits (16) and some of the EU countries (14) but rather similar (and very odd) views on homosexual sex.
Free movement will remain due to the treaties prior to both states being EU members but who knows I suppose.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » I have to say I think there's a meassure on conflation going on there. I suppose its fair to say - I started it so fair enough. On the Constitutional point though - we're a Constitutional Republic if people want to vote on the basis you suggest that's there preogative. I would agree it's hypiticrital. Perhaps another reason to remove it from the (relatively) directly democratic process and hand it to the legislature. Sorry at work, ref spelling, no spell check.
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » On the Constitutional point though - we're a Constitutional Republic if people want to vote on the basis you suggest that's there preogative.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Only if a majority in the Dail permits them to do so. We have a massive problem in that our politicians of all parties are 30 years behind the electorate. Nobody under 50 voted for the current situation. Few under 50 would vote for the current situation, but as usual politicians are terrified of the coffin dodgers whose uteruses (if they had one) seized up 40 years ago. Yes, I'm angry. My wife is angry too. We're angry at what the reproductive laws of this society force upon women, that their life is equal to a zygote. We both know by experience (three times) that nobody actually cares about the right to life of an early foetus, it's a miscarriage, a clump of medical waste to be disposed of in an incinerator somewhere. The oh so precious foetus. Contrast that to the real experience of having a miscarriage. Nobody cares. You feel loss for the foetus you hoped would develop into a baby, but nobody in the maternity hospital (it's not all happy bundles of joy coming out the door) gives half a sh*t really. They shrug and say it's one of natures mistakes, try again you'll be grand. That wears thin after three in a row. But it makes abundantly clear the true position of Irish society. The utter hypocrisy of Irish society.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Thanks Stinkle. We'd always had in mind two kids, the first one was as if we snapped our fingers, then we had three misses, then our second, then we decided we were old enough to stop We can wonder what pregnancies 2, 3 or 4 might have been like, but we have no.5 and he's a mini-me and I wouldn't change him if any of the others had worked out then he wouldn't be here. So in the end, we wouldn't change anything, we got what we hoped for, but we didn't know that at the time, and it wasn't all fun to get here. Mother nature is a bit of a b*tch sometimes. That doesn't change the view of either of us that the decision to proceed with a pregnancy is the decision of the woman concerned and no-one else.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Only if a majority in the Dail permits them to do so. We have a massive problem in that our politicians of all parties are 30 years behind the electorate.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Yes, I'm angry. My wife is angry too. We're angry at what the reproductive laws of this society force upon women, that their life is equal to a zygote. We both know by experience (three times) that nobody actually cares about the right to life of an early foetus, it's a miscarriage, a clump of medical waste to be disposed of in an incinerator somewhere. The oh so precious foetus. Contrast that to the real experience of having a miscarriage. Nobody cares. You feel loss for the foetus you hoped would develop into a baby, but nobody in the maternity hospital (it's not all happy bundles of joy coming out the door) gives half a sh*t really. They shrug and say it's one of natures mistakes, try again you'll be grand. That wears thin after three in a row. But it makes abundantly clear the true position of Irish society. The utter hypocrisy of Irish society.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Only if a majority in the Dail permits them to do so.
seamus wrote: » Ah the Daily Mail. It's written right there in the article that Marie Stopes have done nothing legally or ethically wrong yet the Daily Mail has decided the evil abortionists are champing at the bit to murder some babies.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » All parties? Even AAA/PBP (soon to be renamed 'Solidarity' apparently...)
Samuel T. Cogley wrote: » At the end of the day there are no (AFAIK) direct democracies in the world. Even if their were I'm doubtful individual rights would be properly respected.
jameorahiely wrote: » You wouldn't call throwing abortion remains in open bins and having the cqc having to intervene to stop a disabled woman who didn't know what was happening to her from having an abortion performed on her legally or ethically wrong? Read the most recent cqc report (dec 2016) on marie stopes before you go defending this organisation. Unless you agree with their actions.
smacl wrote: » I'm assuming you're referring to this report. Certainly there are issues but from my reading the service has improved since the previous report in April. That said, it is difficult to be critical of the quality of service provided abroad and used by Irish women in the UK when we totally fail to provide any such service here. If we look at HIQA reports for a variety of local public and private medical and caring services here in Ireland, we see a similar number of concerns raised.
