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Logan Spoilers from post 212

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Hugh's last outing as LOGAN arrives March 3rd 2017.

https://twitter.com/RealHughJackman/status/783661609617072129

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Turtyturd

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Loved the film. Thought the acting was top notch. Was afraid that the "adult" nature would be slapped in swearing and obvious CGI blood but it actually fit and was not just there for a Deadpool effect.

I actually thought the opening scene was pretty much 'hey look at what we can say and do.' but it toned down after that for the better. The violence worked better to show the damage Logan could take rather than dish out imo, although I still would have liked a scene with him healing after being cut to the bone.

Earthhorse

Really loved this. I feel it's the first comic book movie I've seen that's really gonna stay with me.

bilbot79

There was an enormous amount of stabbing deaths in it. Not as much as in London has fallen but a lot. I loved the bit where Charles was having a seizure and Logan was stabbing the mannequin challenge folks

Steve The Barman

bilbot79 wrote: »

There was an enormous amount of stabbing deaths in it. Not as much as in London has fallen but a lot. I loved the bit where Charles was having a seizure and Logan was stabbing the mannequin challenge folks

Furry Balls Plopped Menacingly On The Table

TheIrishGrover

bilbot79 wrote: »

There was an enormous amount of stabbing deaths in it. Not as much as in London has fallen but a lot. I loved the bit where Charles was having a seizure and Logan was stabbing the mannequin challenge folks

Yeah. That, for me, wash the harshest moment in the film: Brutally taking them out then they couldn't defend themselves: You were never going "Yeah, go for it Wolvie!", you were sympathising with them and even thinking "Ouch, that was uncalled for"

TerrorFirmer

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Yeah. That, for me, wash the harshest moment in the film: Brutally taking them out then they couldn't defend themselves: You were never going "Yeah, go for it Wolvie!", you were sympathising with them and even thinking "Ouch, that was uncalled for"

The first guy, you can actually see his eyes slowly turning to Logan, and there's a haunting sense in terror in them - he knows what's about to happen and he's powerless to do a thing about it. The film is just packed with subtle brutality from start to finish.

eviltimeban

^ Yeah I was thinking about that Las Vegas scene the other day, it really was Logan at his most brutally uncompromising. It reminded me of the John Wick approach - if you're in my way, you die.

ScrubsfanChris

eviltimeban wrote: »

^ Yeah I was thinking about that Las Vegas scene the other day, it really was Logan at his most brutally uncompromising. It reminded me of the John Wick approach - if you're in my way, you die.

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razorblunt

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

The first guy, you can actually see his eyes slowly turning to Logan, and there's a haunting sense in terror in them - he knows what's about to happen and he's powerless to do a thing about it. The film is just packed with subtle brutality from start to finish.

That was a great scene, kudos to the actor playing the hired goon. The look in his eyes initially got a giggle from the audience in my screening and then there were a few audible gasps when he gets lobotomised.

[Deleted User]

There was one scene that really struck me and stuck with me more than the violence and anything else that happened - I don't know if it is a spoiler, as you can tell it a bit from the trailers, but it is where Logan is carrying Xavier to his bed. In that moment, Xavier looked so frail and weak and broken. It was such a short moment, but it was definitely one of the most powerful ones.

Sabre0001

No Good Deed (the pre/post credit scene with Logan in North America)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5AzcRml3VE

Foxtrol

Sabre0001 wrote: »

No Good Deed (the pre/post credit scene with Logan in North America)

Saw it in the States on the day of release and the reveal was a true WTF moment.

Really well set up as all the other trailers finished and the movie was teed up to start as normal so when he pulled down the hoodie there were gasps and confusion in the theater. Took everyone a while to realise that it was just a teaser and Deadpool hadnt been secretly slipped into the movie.

Frank Bullitt

Saw it last night and loved it. Some parts dragged for sure, but overall it was brilliant.

"When the man comes around"

constitutionus

jaysus opened to 85 MIL in the states and is at 237.8 mil now worldwide.

nice to see it get the airing it deserves but this is near deadpool numbers.

the execs must be delighted.

Tom.D.BJJ

How do they explain Logans broken spirit in he movie? Its well explained in the comic, but they changed it for the movie where

Charles killed the XMen, rather than Logan

Overall i really enjoyed it, and will re-watch it soon.

TerrorFirmer

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

How do they explain Logans broken spirit in he movie? Its well explained in the comic, but they changed it for the movie where
Charles killed the XMen, rather than Logan

Well, we saw Logan was on the brink in The Wolverine, and the events of Days of Future Past - discovering that Jean Grey et al were all still alive in the new reality he had helped shape - really were a massive respite to his tired, self loathing existence.

Then in Logan we learn

it was all for nothing, the 'ripple in time' forecast in earlier movies comes true and the very people he saved, whose deaths has previously tormented him to no end, end up dead again, and he has to bare witness, most cruelly, for a second time. Enter Logan in 2029 - tired, fed up, sick and living only to tend to Xavier in his final days, and planning his own exit once that final task is complete

In this scenario, the world of Logan just a few years after the seemingly rosy alt future in DOFP, who was responsible for the death of the x-men is largely irrelevant; that they're dead again and so many sacrifices were for nothing is the real point

will56

Just seen this last night, all I can say is WOW !

Its actually a bit frustrating that its taken 17 years to get a grown up, adult targeted, violent depiction of Wolverine.

Hugh Jackman is excellent in his portrayal of the grissly, fed up Logan who's just had enough of it all.

Some random thoughts though

The lack of other mutants. Am I correct in thinking that the no new mutants is down to the gene therapy that the big bad mentioned ? The Lack of X-men is down to the Westchester incident along with Mutants having been hunted down by transigen (using Caliban) ? And Finally, one bullet killing X-24 ? Is this because hi healing power is not on a par with Logans ?

stateofflux

Watched it last night. The depth and raw realism was staggering. Its like Wolverine got torn apart and re written by Alan Moore

gmisk

will56 wrote: »

Just seen this last night, all I can say is WOW !

Its actually a bit frustrating that its taken 17 years to get a grown up, adult targeted, violent depiction of Wolverine.

Hugh Jackman is excellent in his portrayal of the grissly, fed up Logan who's just had enough of it all.

Some random thoughts though
The lack of other mutants. Am I correct in thinking that the no new mutants is down to the gene therapy that the big bad mentioned ? The Lack of X-men is down to the Westchester incident along with Mutants having been hunted down by transigen (using Caliban) ? And Finally, one bullet killing X-24 ? Is this because hi healing power is not on a par with Logans ?

That was a special adamantium bullet which Logan had earlier on and was saving for himself possibly.
I think so, the gene therapy....passed possibly via the Corn Syrup maybe?

TerrorFirmer

Saw over on Reddit that the Chinese version of the movie has 14 minutes cut out :eek:

That's a staggering amount of material, can't even begin to imagine how it hurts the narrative/cohesion of the film.

Also,

regarding X24, I don't fully understand his 'limited' ability to heal - on one hand it seems that he is deliberately engineered to not be essentially invincible as Weapon X was, giving scientists greater control of him - but on the other, when he's fighting Logan and Laura at the farm, he gets stabbed about 100 times, there's no way he could have sustained that unless he had healing capacity as good as Logan originally did. That element confused me.

FunLover18

TerrorFirmer wrote:

That's a staggering amount of material, can't even begin to imagine how it hurts the narrative/cohesion of the film.

I enjoyed the movie but I feel it could definitely do with a trim. It dragged in places for me.

flangemeistro

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Saw over on Reddit that the Chinese version of the movie has 14 minutes cut out :eek:

That's a staggering amount of material, can't even begin to imagine how it hurts the narrative/cohesion of the film.

Also,
regarding X24, I don't fully understand his 'limited' ability to heal - on one hand it seems that he is deliberately engineered to not be essentially invincible as Weapon X was, giving scientists greater control of him - but on the other, when he's fighting Logan and Laura at the farm, he gets stabbed about 100 times, there's no way he could have sustained that unless he had healing capacity as good as Logan originally did. That element confused me.

Well I'd start with trimming down the half a western movie that they watched in the hotel room.
Also where was Laura when the nurse got killed?

GottaGetGatt

The length didn't bother me, thought it flowed very well tbh.

Earthhorse

will56 wrote: »

The lack of other mutants. Am I correct in thinking that the no new mutants is down to the gene therapy that the big bad mentioned ? The Lack of X-men is down to the Westchester incident along with Mutants having been hunted down by transigen (using Caliban) ? And Finally, one bullet killing X-24 ? Is this because hi healing power is not on a par with Logans ?

I didn't pick up on this in the film but from reading afterward that they released something that suppressed mutations into the food supply. Hence, no more mutants.

The bullet that killed X-24 would have killed Logan too. He kept it around to have the option to kill himself. I assume a shot to the brain is necessary though.

You're right about Westchester and Caliban.

TerrorFirmer

I mean I don't disagree that runtime could have been trimmed from the movie, but removing 14 minutes of primarily action scenes would totally neuter the movie.

TheIrishGrover

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Saw over on Reddit that the Chinese version of the movie has 14 minutes cut out :eek:

That's a staggering amount of material, can't even begin to imagine how it hurts the narrative/cohesion of the film.

Also,
regarding X24, I don't fully understand his 'limited' ability to heal - on one hand it seems that he is deliberately engineered to not be essentially invincible as Weapon X was, giving scientists greater control of him - but on the other, when he's fighting Logan and Laura at the farm, he gets stabbed about 100 times, there's no way he could have sustained that unless he had healing capacity as good as Logan originally did. That element confused me.

I thought

he was deliberately engineered to be pretty much just an animal - no real higher functions. That that was the control they had over him. The kids were straight up people with abilities with minds of their own.

Remember it took Wolverine's adamandium bullet to take him out.

As for Wolverine's abilities beginning to fade, I took it that it was the additive in the food that was suppressing his abilities, especially the adamantium poising he was feeling. The same that suppressed the mutant X gene or whatever it was called. I presume this would mean then that X-23 would suffer the same fate assuming she is eating the same foodstuffs unless they engineered her to not process that additive

TerrorFirmer

That's a seperate issue though, I'm not talking about that, but about his healing ability for example

X24 wasn't able to heal from the damage he took at the farm and needed to be injected with the 'super serum' By Dr. Rice to recover, - Weapon X/Wolverine was able to heal from wounds like that.

That shows the clones regenerative powers were deliberately neutered compared to Wolverine's to avoid a repeat of what happened with Weapon X (ie go rogue and be beyond control)....but it doesn't explain why he was able to heal normally (ie instantly and on the fly) from stab and slash wounds like Wolverine was in his prime.

It's one part of the movie I don't quite understand exactly.

constitutionus

i thought

the injection was to make him heal quicker. he was shot in the head so there was brain and eye to rebuild as opposed to the usual muscle skin and organs and the like he usually endures.

he certainly seemed to be healing before he got that injection to me . just too slowly for the doc .

on his mentality the feeling i got is he was basically conditioned to be a dog to them. Follow basic simple orders , but not allowed to have any ideas of his own.

pierces first interaction with laura is similar with his "no. noooo." line. he's just short of telling her to sit.

[Deleted User]

This is going to be one long spoiler about the very end

OK there seems to be plenty of discussion, online, about the family Vs death subtext regarding Logan's last words. I think it is completely about family and here's why.

Logan is lost, he's back to the socially withdrawn, surly, and uncaring person Rouge meets in X1 all those years ago. He doesn't really care anymore. He has one last duty of care to his old life, Charles.
Charles is so disappointed (he calls Logan a disappointment but it's more to do with disappointment in himself for not being able to fully help Logan). Charles has tried to give Logan purpose and a family, but really it fed right into the Berserker Wolverine within Logan. As alluded to by Laura, later, she kills bad people (not good) but Logan states that it does not matter, killing is killing.
So here is the set up; Logan is lost, dying, and all but alone.

Then we have Charles sense Gabrielle and Laura. Here it is; finally a chance for Logan. Charles tries repeatedly to have Logan mentally accept what Laura is but he is too far down the self pity/destructive path. He wholeheartedly rejects her, and what she represents.

From here we have a great road movie of discovery. Charles (power control or not is a smart guy) chips away at Logan's reluctance around Laura, opening him up to at least Logan's responsibility to get her to safety.

Boom, farmhouse. Charles is dead, nothing at all remains of Logan's old life. This is the last time that Logan chooses it over his future. He abandons Laura to check on Charles. Dead
Goes after the berserker Wolverine in rage, Laura is not on his mind. Loses to the Wolverine but survives. Laura is helpless, he can walk away, Charles is not there to act as his conscience anymore.

He, apparently reluctantly, takes her. She is thrashing in restraints and here it is, the thaw begins, rather than get angry or shout Logan gently removes the restraints. They sit in silence.

Logan is still cold to her but from here he is not hostile or resentful. She saves him and gets him treatment.
He gets her to Eden and here she mistakes his detachment for uncaring. He does not take the money and states that people he cares for end up dead. She misinterpreted this and assumes he does not care replying "I'll be fine so" indicating she accepts that he does not and isn't willing to let himself care. When in fact he cares deeply and that's what's worrying him.

He wakes up, kids are gone, he thinks they are safe, and relaxes. Drone flyover and trucks.
Kids are in trouble, Laura is in trouble. Hero Logan returns. His safety/survival does not matter. Protecting Laura is all there is.

Logan has returned, Laura has done that. Logan is back to where Charles got him all those years ago.

Now after all this here is why the last words are about family.

Charles was able to give Logan a sense of purpose and a family like community.
Laura is family, before Logan dies he gets to experience the love of his child AND return that love, without condition or pretense. She wants nothing but to have him near, he wants her to be safe.

"Don't be what they made you"... That's it; Logan is a father, his overriding wish is that his child have a better life than him, to be better than him.
"Daddy"... Right to the feels. Logan finally understands this. He has love, gives love, and has a family... "So that's what it feels like". Sleep

fluke

Emotional and a bit of a downer, but a very good movie.