end of the road wrote: » DavidLyons_ wrote: » And you certainly can't prove that you have. However, your posts suggest very strongly that you have never had any contact with any travellers and that's enough for me! well i have had lots of contact, both good and bad. so what isn't the case can't be enough for you as you are wrong.
DavidLyons_ wrote: » And you certainly can't prove that you have. However, your posts suggest very strongly that you have never had any contact with any travellers and that's enough for me!
Means Of Escape wrote: » So you would happily embrace a traveller family ,recommended by Pavee point ,if they moved into the house beside you without batting an eyelid oe having any concerns ?
DavidLyons_ wrote: » It's enough alright.
end of the road wrote: » i will treat anyone with respect unless they do something to me. i would have no problem with any family moving in beside me unless there is actual proof of that particular family being of concern. whether one is a traveler or not makes no difference to me, it's one's actions that will determin whether i have an issue with them. enough for what? to prove you are wrong? great. glad we got that sorted[/quote If they didn't live in the house but in two caravans in their driveway would that be a concern ? Or if they were a Euro nomadic family whereby they left 6 months of the year and put metal grids on all the windows and doors akin to a prison ,would that be of concern ? How about their right to have 6 dogs fully licences crapping on the footpath ?
Means Of Escape wrote: » end of the road wrote: » i will treat anyone with respect unless they do something to me. i would have no problem with any family moving in beside me unless there is actual proof of that particular family being of concern. whether one is a traveler or not makes no difference to me, it's one's actions that will determin whether i have an issue with them. enough for what? to prove you are wrong? great. glad we got that sorted[/quote If they didn't live in the house but in two caravans in their driveway would that be a concern ? Or if they were a Euro nomadic family whereby they left 6 months of the year and put metal grids on all the windows and doors akin to a prison ,would that be of concern ? How about their right to have 6 dogs fully licences crapping on the footpath ? that is what the gards are there for, to deal with any breaches of the law. if i believe someone is breaching the law, the issue will be raised by me with the authorities, and i will keep raising it until it is dealt with.
Graces7 wrote: » [/B] Proof? Oh and I am living in a rental where the farmer up the lane was trying to annex the garden here as he thought the house was abandoned... Irish farmer, non traveller.. caught him just in time Over to you! Or is that checkmate?
Means Of Escape wrote: » No it's not Rent a house in Rathkeale co Limerick and let us know how you get on after 2 months Anyone in their right mind would be crying into their breakfast of a traveller family moved next door to them Within the first year they would be scratching their heads as to why 3 houses are up for sale on their street and it would dawn on them that the value of their house is gone down the crapper As was pointed out by a poster on the journal had one TD opposed the new bill he would have had a seat for life Most people's opinions are borne out of experiences
end of the road wrote: » experiences are just used as the excuse. the real reason is simply that some people wish to hate someone, and travelers are probably that last group it is exceptible for some to hate. they can get away with it because few will challenge them but they are only showing themselves up for what they are. ireland has a history of hatred, whether it's single mothers, children born out of wedlock, black/brown people, travelers, muslims. hatred can vary from group to group but the history cannot be denied. thankfully many of us don't take part in this hatred and we are growing and modernising.
Means Of Escape wrote: » No the population in general who won't tolerate the traveller culture because of its negative impact on society are being forced to swallow it . Many sectors in society who have direct contact with the traveller community Garda , teachers , nurses etc would cite hundreds of incidents of this negative impact and it won't be founded on racism but fact derived from experience through direct contact
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Ireland has a history of hatred for Muslims?
end of the road wrote: » they are not being forced to swallow anything. they are being forced not to discriminate against people because "traveler" or muslim and so on. that is right and correct, as we as a society need to keep modernising.
DanMurphy wrote: » The utter stupidity of virtue signalling puzzles me too Professor. So, our Defense Forces long history of protecting Muslim villages in South Lebanon and a myriad other Mid Eastern countries, costing many Irish lives and hundreds wounded (myself included) counts as ' Ireland having a long history of hating Muslims.' On the contrary - we put our lives on the line to protect them, and our troops are still doing that to this day.
Means Of Escape wrote: » This bill will not improve society one iota In fact it will only embolden those in the travelling community who treat others with contempt while being protected by the rights they will enjoy as an ethnic minority and these will be listed out whenever the same meet resistance to their culture . Ask yourself why people discriminate against travellers and it will boil down to their behaviour in society .
One_Of_Shanks wrote: » I would have zero problem with any status that they get so long as they're brought to task for their taxes like the rest of us but that never seems to happen. So there will always exist a bitterness towards them until they contribute in the same way the rest of us do. Why that has never happened is the question. And until it does you'll never get an overwhelming acceptance. My guess is that they're ok with that. I would be too if I didn't have to pay taxes. And if you can push yer luck and get away with a bit more then why not. We're the fools.
mynamejeff wrote: » was there ever a more blindly liberal and pathetically self loathing statement made on boards ? Im not sure eotr understands who the world works. experiences are first had evidence of facts really you are just diffing for reactions now and it got old a long time ago
end of the road wrote: » it's nothing to do with taxes, as plenty in the settled community either are exempt from certain taxes or some do stuff on the side and don't declare it. it's just another excuse because there is no legitimate reason to be bitter toards, or discriminate against travelers, so a reason has to be found. .
One_Of_Shanks wrote: » Ah c'mon. Are you seriously saying that travellers pay their way in tax to the same degree as the "settled community"? Really? By all means go for it and say yes here. Go on!
end of the road wrote: » it's actually not relevant. or no more relevant then those in the settled community doing nixers or not paying their taxes. not paying tax is not paying tax, the fact some travelers don't is no different to anyone else who doesn't. it's no justification for discrimination, no justification exists. it is the job of revenue to deal with non-compliance of the tax rules.
end of the road wrote: » Means Of Escape wrote: » So you would happily embrace a traveller family ,recommended by Pavee point ,if they moved into the house beside you without batting an eyelid oe having any concerns ? i will treat anyone with respect unless they do something to me. i would have no problem with any family moving in beside me unless there is actual proof of that particular family being of concern. whether one is a traveler or not makes no difference to me, it's one's actions that will determin whether i have an issue with them. DavidLyons_ wrote: » It's enough alright. enough for what? to prove you are wrong? great. glad we got that sorted
DavidLyons_ wrote: » Your inaccurate, ill-informed posts are plenty of evidence. You've either never met a traveller or you are one. I'm happy enough with that assumption.
Patricia Tinkling Sternum wrote: » This thread is hilarious. Given that the modern state of Israel was created for Jews and Liberia was created in West Africa for slave descendents can we give Travelers one of our islands to form their own state? After all they are different and thus need their own land.
Deleted User wrote: » As we have provided 1/20th of the halting sites we intended to provide since the mid 90s and have been found to be in breach of basic human rights, don't think we'll be enabling them set up a country...
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Why should we provide travellers who are rich with anything?
Deleted User wrote: » We should not provide anyone who is rich with accommodation. The law obliges us to provide accommodation for those who meet criteria, travellers, people on certain income levels etc. Our failings in the former, our miserable total of 54 sites provided to meet a need estimated at 1,000 in the 90s, and the manner in which they operate was assessed, and deemed to be in breach of human rights.
DavidLyons_ wrote: » The Gardai are stretched to the limit. The tax payers of our country contribute handsomely to fund their activities. Our taxes also fund social welfare etc. Lawless, social welfare grabbing scum tend to make the job of the Gardai to protect the decent people of this country (vulnerable, elderly, rural folk for example) that much harder. Apologists for these scum should hang their heads in shame. Embarrassing and disturbing to think they mean what they post. I'll reiterate, those who are defending travellers on here have had little or no real contact with them.[/QUOTE] There ye go again... as a nearly 80 year old rural lady? I am not vulnerable and not in need of protection! REALLY! Could use some fire wood cutting if you really want to help? No? OK. The next traveller along will do it for me And again... not true . second bolded. If you want to make an impression, choose some reality other than your blind unreasoning hatred?
Commotion Ocean wrote: » Try to move one off your property - racist. Call the guards if they rob you - racist. Complain about rubbish they leave -racist. If they break up your pub - your racist, they're entitled to do it.
Means Of Escape wrote: » end of the road wrote: » i will treat anyone with respect unless they do something to me. i would have no problem with any family moving in beside me unless there is actual proof of that particular family being of concern. whether one is a traveler or not makes no difference to me, it's one's actions that will determin whether i have an issue with them. enough for what? to prove you are wrong? great. glad we got that sorted[/quote If they didn't live in the house but in two caravans in their driveway would that be a concern ? Or if they were a Euro nomadic family whereby they left 6 months of the year and put metal grids on all the windows and doors akin to a prison ,would that be of concern ?How about their right to have 6 dogs fully licences crapping on the footpath ? Report them then! Plenty of nontraveller dogs do that
end of the road wrote: » i will treat anyone with respect unless they do something to me. i would have no problem with any family moving in beside me unless there is actual proof of that particular family being of concern. whether one is a traveler or not makes no difference to me, it's one's actions that will determin whether i have an issue with them. enough for what? to prove you are wrong? great. glad we got that sorted[/quote If they didn't live in the house but in two caravans in their driveway would that be a concern ? Or if they were a Euro nomadic family whereby they left 6 months of the year and put metal grids on all the windows and doors akin to a prison ,would that be of concern ?How about their right to have 6 dogs fully licences crapping on the footpath ?
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w5.vanillicon.com/v2/5c1c06444977305a5e99f4ce35119320.svg)
