jackofalltrades wrote: » It's not really clear what could happen next. Here's a few points from a leaflet on Ethnicity on the Irish Traveller Movement website. Settled people will have to increasingly bend over backwards to pay for this unsustainable way of life. Also expect more resistance to laws that could affect travellers. And possibly more confrontations like what was seen in Carrickmines. As local authorities could be put under more pressure to provide traveller accommodation.
jackofalltrades wrote: » And possibly more confrontations like what was seen in Carrickmines. As local authorities could be put under more pressure to provide traveller accommodation.
end of the road wrote: » well demand the gards enforce the law, then. simple.
whisky_galore wrote: » Lol. You are really living on another planet.http://connachttribune.ie/gardai-saddled-with-e80k-horse-fair-bill-087/
end of the road wrote: » mentioned by someone with a known hatred of travelers among many other groups. so, yeah, i think, your person who works within the system has been made up by you. nope, she just wishes to ignore hearsay made up by persons with an agenda
ScumLord wrote: » It hard to know what to make of that. How does it compare to a similar event that would have a garda presence?
While Limerick's bid last year to be the European Capital of Culture in 2020 was claimed by Galway, Shinnors believes “a lot of boll***s goes on there as well” within certain arts committees, and perhaps even within the selection committee itself. “I think one of their gripes were 'Why don't we have more inclusion with the Travelling community?' 'Feck it', says I, 'how much more do you want to include them and they don't want to be included'? “The word culture is abused and over-used. Travellers don't have a culture - they have a lifestyle. Drinking culture isn't a culture - it's a lifestyle. It's overused in the same way that the word love is, in many ways, or specifically 'making love'."
Deleted User wrote: » I remember the Carrickmines tragedy. I had to think about what you evidently recall, people upset about planning or something wasn't it?
end of the road wrote: » nope, she just wishes to ignore hearsay made up by persons with an agenda. pretty simple.
end of the road wrote: » because it's your job, and because it's against the law to refuse them on the basis of traveler, which lets be honest, is the majority reason for refusal. if you don't like it, shut down and open a business that deals little with the public. otherwise put up and shut up.
end of the road wrote: » riots aren't a traveler speciffic issue. shooting people is another way to sort out feuds, carried out a lot by settled members of the community, who are involved in criminal gangs.
end of the road wrote: » whisky_galore wrote: » Lol. You are really living on another planet.http://connachttribune.ie/gardai-saddled-with-e80k-horse-fair-bill-087/ incorrect, i'm living on earth. we have a force charged with enforcing the law, it is their job and duty to do it. if they aren't doing it, then demand they do. that is what they are there for.
DavidLyons_ wrote: » So much wrong with this. You have to be a wind up. If not, what a disgusting, socially irresponsible attitude to have. What about personal responsibility!?!
end of the road wrote: » so it's not the job of the police to enforce the law? do you actually know what you are commenting on?
end of the road wrote: » DavidLyons_ wrote: » So much wrong with this. You have to be a wind up. If not, what a disgusting, socially irresponsible attitude to have. What about personal responsibility!?! so it's not the job of the police to enforce the law? do you actually know what you are commenting on?
DavidLyons_ wrote: » I certainly do. Shameful, disgraceful attitude. I am not surprised though. You are so out of touch with reality it would be hilarious if it weren't so disturbing that you actually believe the drivel you post. Pitiful.
end of the road wrote: » what is disturbing about saying it is the gards job to enforce the law, and that if they don't or people feel they aren't that they should demand they do?
Help!!!! wrote: » So do you think committing crimes OK if you can get away with it??
ScumLord wrote: » I don't know how you could end up thinking that when he says it's the police's job to enforce the law. The article doesn't say anything other than a cost. It's not compared to the cost of running any other event. It doesn't say there was a load of crime. That article on it's own doesn't really tell us a whole lot about anything. Has there traditionally been a lot of crime at these things (other than under the table dealing, as in violent crime)?
Help!!!! wrote: » EOTR is always saying its up to the police to enforce the law when anyone on here says about crime in the travelling community or its revenue needs to go looking for tax from the travelling community when anyone mentions they dont pay tax. It seems its everyone elses fault. So we might as well all commit crimes or not pay taxes if we go by EOTR because the police/revenue have to come to stop us committing crimes & make us pay taxes
Deleted User wrote: » And its peoples responsibility to respect and obey the law too. The gardai are severely underesourced and from hearing experience of many robberies around our area they seemingly just dont want to know.
end of the road wrote: » incorrect, i'm living on earth. we have a force charged with enforcing the law, it is their job and duty to do it. if they aren't doing it, then demand they do. that is what they are there for.
Means Of Escape wrote: » The sulky race on the Cork road Despite requests to stop and intervention by the Gardai in their vehicles the racers REFUSED to cheers and roars from to travellers in the vans So if you are dealing with this level of indifference can you propose what you would have seen as a more effective way to enforce the laws on that day ???
DavidLyons_ wrote: » The Gardai are stretched to the limit. The tax payers of our country contribute handsomely to fund their activities. Our taxes also fund social welfare etc. Lawless, social welfare grabbing scum tend to make the job of the Gardai to protect the decent people of this country (vulnerable, elderly, rural folk for example) that much harder. Apologists for these scum should hang their heads in shame. Embarrassing and disturbing to think they mean what they post. I'll reiterate, those who are defending travellers on here have had little or no real contact with them.
end of the road wrote: » Means Of Escape wrote: » The sulky race on the Cork road Despite requests to stop and intervention by the Gardai in their vehicles the racers REFUSED to cheers and roars from to travellers in the vans So if you are dealing with this level of indifference can you propose what you would have seen as a more effective way to enforce the laws on that day ??? more resources and inforce the law. simple. it can be done, it is the duty of the authorities to do it. DavidLyons_ wrote: » The Gardai are stretched to the limit. The tax payers of our country contribute handsomely to fund their activities. Our taxes also fund social welfare etc. Lawless, social welfare grabbing scum tend to make the job of the Gardai to protect the decent people of this country (vulnerable, elderly, rural folk for example) that much harder. Apologists for these scum should hang their heads in shame. Embarrassing and disturbing to think they mean what they post. I'll reiterate, those who are defending travellers on here have had little or no real contact with them. wrong. many of us have had lots of contact, both good and bad. you won't be able to prove otherwise.
DavidLyons_ wrote: » And you certainly can't prove that you have. However, your posts suggest very strongly that you have never had any contact with any travellers and that's enough for me!
ScumLord wrote: » Asking these people to just stop doing crime has zero chance of working. They have a culture of setting themselves apart from the general population and will never willfully take part in the tax system. People don't change unless they're forced to. Pointing out that fact isn't supporting criminality it's just pointing out how things have usually gone in the past. If they're breaking the law arrest them. The fact is they're probably not good at hiding these things, the guards know what's going on they're just unsure how they should proceed. We're ignoring them because dealing with them is difficult.
Help!!!! wrote: » & so they get abuse from settled people because of this & rightly so.
end of the road wrote: » not rightly so when people who aren't guilty of anything are getting abuse because "traveler"
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