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Illegal Irish Immigrants in the USA: What can Be Done?

JupiterKid

I was just watching a Prime Time report on the illegal Irish in the USA - those who travelled to the US and got work there and stayed there but are now "undocumented" and whose fate is now very precarious under the new Trump administration that has vowed to rid the US of "illegal aliens." Two women interviewed were very upset - one could not go back to Ireland for her mother's funeral and another has two children, both born in the USA.

What do you think should be done? Should there be an amnesty for illegals or should they be deported? Is it making Ireland sounding just a bit hypocritical with respect to our own immigration laws which are allegedly strict? Should the USA only be cracking down on illegal immigrants with criminal records? Or is it just tough for the illegals - that they should be rooted out and forcibly deported?

Apparently a number of "sanctuary cities" in America such as Boston and San Francisco have been at complete loggerheads with the Federal authorities over the issue of illegal immigrants. The authorities allege the city mayors are felons for allowing illegals to live in thier cities and the city mayors say that trying to criminalise their blind eye approach to immigrants is unconstitutional.

Thoughts?

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Skid X

Deleted User wrote: »

If the million or so Irish citizens (including 7 of my older siblings) did not leave this state in the 1980s the state would have collapsed. And so, too, would the billions upon billions of dollars (much earned from the "criminal" work of illegal Irish) sent back propping up families and communities across Ireland. Emigration has always been the saviour of the ruling elite here and their state.

So, yeah, next time you try to get smug about the nature of the illegal Irish in the States, compare your contribution to Ireland with theirs.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, I think I'm very happy with my contribution to this country compared to those who fecked off to live their lives illegally somewhere else, thanks.

Uncle Mclovin

If they deport everyone like they are suggesting will the US not be short of workers?

jam_mac_jam

Deport them. So what? I should feel sorry for somebody who puts living in the US above their mother's funeral. I have way more sympathy to someone from a poor country who emigrates. While they should be deported too I feel more for them then those with a passport that makes it possible for them to live anywhere in Europe. Seriously boo hoo.

johnnyskeleton

Skid X wrote: »

I don't have any sympathy for them, but equally I'm not keen on thousands of them being dumped back here and having them whining and demanding all kinds of special treatment from our Government.

What if they all come back and use their skills to work and build up the economy? I say itsa great idea. Just make sure the social welfare guys adhere to the ordinarily resident conditions and dont just give them free welfare if they havent been contributing. That way they dont fall into the poverty trap like so many other unfortunates who never really got that push to get into the workforce or who find that they would be at a financial disadvantage to work as welfare pays more than what a lot of jobs are offering

[Deleted User]

Skid X wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Yeah, I think I'm very happy with my contribution to this country compared to those who fecked off to live their lives illegally somewhere else, thanks.

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you. Congratulations on personally contributing billions of dollars to the Irish economy but never personally using our hospitals, roads or public services.

jam_mac_jam

Deleted User wrote: »

Skid X wrote: »

I don't have any sympathy for them, but equally I'm not keen on thousands of them being dumped back here and having them whining and demanding all kinds of special treatment from our Government.

If the million or so Irish citizens (including 7 of my older siblings) did not leave this state in the 1980s the state would have collapsed. And so, too, would the billions upon billions of dollars (much earned from the "criminal" work of illegal Irish) sent back propping up families and communities across Ireland. Emigration has always been the saviour of the ruling elite here and their state.

So, yeah, next time you try to get smug about the nature of the illegal Irish in the States, compare your contribution to Ireland with theirs.

Why can't they do it legally then?

johnnyskeleton

Deleted User wrote: »

If the million or so Irish citizens (including 7 of my older siblings) did not leave this state in the 1980s the state would have collapsed. And so, too, would the billions upon billions of dollars (much earned from the "criminal" work of illegal Irish) sent back propping up families and communities across Ireland. Emigration has always been the saviour of the ruling elite here and their state.

So, yeah, next time you try to get smug about the nature of the illegal Irish in the States, compare your contribution to Ireland with theirs.

How exactly would it have collapsed? Maybe times wouldve been tough for them for a few years, but maybe some of them would have set up businesses etc. Even if it was good as a temporary solution, why didnt they want to come back and put their skills to good use here?

[Deleted User]

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Deport them. So what? I should feel sorry for somebody who puts living in the US above their mother's funeral.

Yes, because this is what the choice was. Well done on missing an important detail.

[Deleted User]

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why can't they do it legally then?

Stupid question. Or ignorant. Or both.

Fred Swanson

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dreamers75

Deport them.

Bro and Sis living there both legal now after many years illegal, should have been deported.

Its harsh but fair.

[Deleted User]

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

How exactly would it have collapsed? Maybe times wouldve been tough for them for a few years, but maybe some of them would have set up businesses etc. Even if it was good as a temporary solution, why didnt they want to come back and put their skills to good use here?

For starters, how was the Irish state in 1986 expected to fund dole payments for all those unemployed had they not emigrated and earned money working illegally in the US? As for setting up businesses here, perhaps you could ask Tom Gilmartin's son about the crooks and bribes needed to get off the ground here at that time?

LeinsterDub

I really wish the Irish government would stop lobbying on the behalf of these law breakers. It makes us hypocritical when we deport illegals here and puts us the position of explaining which law breaking the Irish government condones and which it doesn't

dav3

I’ve no doubt there are a good few on here that get raging hard-ons every time they hear the great orange one speak. But for once, try to at least think before typing the usual rabble rousing ‘deport them all’.

Around 50,000 undocumented Irish reside in the US. A large number of those people would have got married and had children. Their spouses and children are not Irish, and as they are not from the EEA, are not automatically entitled to residency.

So when the great orange one rounds up the Irish and deports them, what will happen to their families? They will obviously have to follow them, tens of thousands of adults and children applying for citizenship. They can’t just walk off the plane and into houses and jobs.

The hysterics we had recently over the cost of taking in a few refugee children had some people crying into their copies of mein kampf. I’m not sure how they’re going to take the above scenario, especially with the families being of all different skin colours and religions.

So how much extra are we willing to pay out of our wage packets each month to accommodate the crazy orange one’s latest harebrained scheme? We have to take them in if he starts deporting people, but I’m not sure the usual crowd have thought it through fully.

Recognition Scene

red ears wrote: »

The solution is to make it illegal for an employer to hire someone without papers. Have tough enough penalties so businesses won't risk hiring them.

Employers are already legally bound to verify an employee's identity and work authorization in the first 3 days. I filled out an I-9 form myself just last week for this purpose.

Zaph

Deleted User wrote: »

If the million or so Irish citizens (including 7 of my older siblings) did not leave this state in the 1980s the state would have collapsed.

Just so we don't get too carried away here, net emigration from Ireland in the 1980s was actually 208,000, not a million (link - table page 8). Given that there would have been bugger all inward migration to the country at that time, being generous I'd say maximum 250,000 people emigrated during the decade. I was very nearly one of them myself but was lucky enough to get a job that meant I didn't have to leave, unlike many of my schoolmates.

Noddyholder

dav3 wrote: »

I’ve no doubt there are a good few on here that get raging hard-ons every time they hear the great orange one speak. But for once, try to at least think before typing the usual rabble rousing ‘deport them all’.

Around 50,000 undocumented Irish reside in the US. A large number of those people would have got married and had children. Their spouses and children are not Irish, and as they are not from the EEA, are not automatically entitled to residency.

So when the great orange one rounds up the Irish and deports them, what will happen to their families? They will obviously have to follow them, tens of thousands of adults and children applying for citizenship. They can’t just walk off the plane and into houses and jobs.

The hysterics we had recently over the cost of taking in a few refugee children had some people crying into their copies of mein kampf. I’m not sure how they’re going to take the above scenario, especially with the families being of all different skin colours and religions.

So how much extra are we willing to pay out of our wage packets each month to accommodate the crazy orange one’s latest harebrained scheme? We have to take them in if he starts deporting people, but I’m not sure the usual crowd have thought it through fully.

So the 4000 people Ireland deported last year, You know the ones that have husbands/wife's/children here , What about there families. ? What about the countries we deport them back to ? Do you think illegal Irish should be given special treatment ? And what's with this crazy orange talk, grow up mate.

endacl

Zaph wrote: »

Just so we don't get too carried away here, net emigration from Ireland in the 1980s was actually 208,000, not a million (link - table page 8). Given that there would have been bugger all inward migration to the country at that time, being generous I'd say maximum 250,000 people emigrated during the decade. I was very nearly one of them myself but was lucky enough to get a job that meant I didn't have to leave, unlike many of my schoolmates.

Dude. 'Millionaire Oppressor' is not a job.

ceadaoin.

red ears wrote: »

It is a really tough situation, I felt for that woman talking about her mother dying and she couldn't get home. But on the other hand she is there illegal and should ordinarily be kicked out. But then again how can you kick an 11 year old american child out of america because his mother shouldn't have been there. He was born and raised there.

The child wouldn't be kicked out. If the father refused her permission to take him with her then she would have to leave her son behind. I doubt she would get back in to the U.S. ever again after being deported so her only chance of seeing him would be if the father(assuming he is American) allowed him to visit her. I would hate to live with that hanging over me

Zaph

endacl wrote: »

Dude. 'Millionaire Oppressor' is not a job.

Quiet peasant! See, I can oppress non-millionaires too. :pac:

Dave_The_Sheep

red ears wrote: »

The solution is to make it illegal for an employer to hire someone without papers. Have tough enough penalties so businesses won't risk hiring them.

Shush. Away with your 'sense'.

Capitalism has no place for that kind of regulation. It COSTS JOBS.

dav3

Noddyholder wrote: »

So the 4000 people Ireland deported last year, You know the ones that have husbands/wife's/children here , What about there families. ? What about the countries we deport them back to ? Do you think illegal Irish should be given special treatment ? And what's with this crazy orange talk, grow up mate.

What about them? Unless you know their circumstances your post is meaningless.

Would you prefer if I referred to him as tangerine idiot instead? This is Ireland sunshine, not the Deep South of the US. We're not grovelling to some man child who's brain can't keep up with his mouth.

dav3

We're going to take them in and pay for it.

Dave_The_Sheep

Well, you could just take them in and "not pay for" them, and let them fend for their own, within reason. Just a thought.

dav3

Why would we do that? I'm serious when I say take them in and pay for them.

It's good to see so many people finally coming round to immigration and multiculturalism in Ireland.

Fred Swanson

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StupidLikeAFox

Build a wall around Shannon and make the Limerick people pay for it

Calhoun

dan1895 wrote: »

I don't envy their situation or want to see them deported but it's a situation of their own doing and should the US government want to deport them then so be it. We have no right to say otherwise and I genuinely don't understand the campaigning on their behalf.

Would also like to see this happen so its not a stick to beat us with when it comes to our own immigration policy. Just because a bunch of lads decided to risk it and live undocumented in another country doesn't mean i should just shut up and accept it here.

Zaph

I think it's fair to say that it would be spectacularly bad for this country if 50,000 returning emigrants were dumped upon us in a relatively short space of time. For starters, we have a bad enough housing crisis as it is without adding essentially the population of Waterford city on top of that. However the U.S. Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement might actually come to our rescue on this. Trump has said that he wants to add 10,000 more officers to deal with illegal immigrants, however they're apparently struggling to fill around 2,000 vacancies that they already have. Ultimately these people returning could be good for our economy because of the skills many of them will have, but it would have to be at a relatively slow rate as we're just not equipped to take them all in one go.

please helpThank YOU

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Build a wall around Shannon and make the Limerick people pay for it

how would you do that ?