Nekarsulm wrote: » Its like the children's card game "Top Trumps" Their unique ethic diversity will always trump your right to your own goods, when the case comes to Court.
end of the road wrote: » mynamejeff wrote: » there are few hard consequences for for many of the traveller specific crimes that are committed toohttp://www.irishtimes.com/news/travellers-involved-in-riot-receive-suspended-sentences-1.627184 ...http://www.radiokerry.ie/five-tralee-men-given-suspended-sentences-for-traveller-feud-violence/ ... the vast majority of those crimes you mentioned aren't traveler speciffic.
mynamejeff wrote: » there are few hard consequences for for many of the traveller specific crimes that are committed toohttp://www.irishtimes.com/news/travellers-involved-in-riot-receive-suspended-sentences-1.627184 ...http://www.radiokerry.ie/five-tralee-men-given-suspended-sentences-for-traveller-feud-violence/ ...
Judge Anthony Kennedy was told at a sitting of Mullingar Circuit Court, sitting in Tullamore, Co Offaly, that the riot was sparked because a member of the Nevin family had not paid a debt owed to the Dinnegan family. Members of the extended families live in Mullingar, with many residing on the Dalton Park estate where the riot took place. The court heard efforts had been made by a Government-appointed mediator to resolve tensions, but these had failed. The families decided to settle the issue with a 30-minute fight using rocks and weapons including swords, baseball bats and pitchforks.
Five Tralee men have been given suspended sentences for a violent incident connected to a Traveller feud.... The court heard as a result of a chance encounter the men who were in two transit vans followed a car into the Deerpark Estate. Three got out of the van with iron bars, slash hooks, golf clubs and a hatchet and set upon two cars. ... Jimmy Quilligan and Jimmy O’Brien also pleaded guilty to being involved in violent disorder at the funeral in Tralee of a father and daughter who had died in a house fire on May 16th 2012. Garda Emma Mullane said the feud arose from an altercation in a London scrap yard and has resulted in 93 incidents but now everything is peaceful.
A priest has described how he pleaded with a small group to stop fighting ahead of a wedding in Co Fermanagh only for their dispute to subsequently flare up again leading to the death of one of the men. The man in his 60s died after he was shot shortly after 1 pm on Wednesday outside the Catholic Church of the Immaculate Conception in Newtownbutler, Co Fermanagh.
end of the road wrote: » actually, they are discriminated against effectively for no reason. bigotry and the fact there are no consiquences for doing so. some black people are involved in crime yet discrimination toards black people as a whole is rightly not tolerated. travelers didn't earn discrimination. discrimination cannot be justified. not fitting into society isn't a justification for anything.
Deleted User wrote: » It's almost 2 decades since they were recognised as a separate ethnic group in NI. I presume the apocalypse came to pass up there...
jmayo wrote: » Do you reckon you will get any action where the new social order is found not to be totally endorsed by the settled community and some folks take legal recourse to have their new standing as a different ethnic group fully accepted ? Think of it as caravan chasing.
DavidLyons_ wrote: Pretty obvious that some of the posters defending travellers in this thread are using multiple log ins. The lack of thanks on the posts despite the various user names is a dead giveaway. A couple of them are glaringly, pathetically obvious. These people have also most likely never actually met a traveller.
Sleeper12 wrote: » DavidLyons_ wrote: Pretty obvious that some of the posters defending travellers in this thread are using multiple log ins. The lack of thanks on the posts despite the various user names is a dead giveaway. A couple of them are glaringly, pathetically obvious. These people have also most likely never actually met a traveller. I disagree. I don't thank every post I agree with nor do I comment or quote every post I disagree with. There could be some truth to this if you found lots of posters defending travellers and the posters are new accounts with only a few comments.
DavidLyons_ wrote: » Sure thing Graces7. I mean Sleeper12.
DavidLyons_ wrote: Sure thing Graces7. I mean Sleeper12.
Zebra3 wrote: » Travelers:"We demand equality and to be treated like everyone else" Travelers:"We demand special status and to be treated differently to everyone else"
JamboMac wrote: Yeah you noticed aswell that I had a disagreement with one account and then they responded in the other account but as the same person.
JamboMac wrote: » Yeah you noticed aswell that I had a disagreement with one account and then they responded in the other account but as the same person.
Sleeper12 wrote: » Let it go. You made a mistake. I gave you a easy way out without losing face but you went on the attack for no reason. I've left it alone and I suggest that you do the same.
joe40 wrote: » I could be described a liberal, lefty do gooder. But I for the life of me do not understand this decision. Traveller culture has a lot of problems it needs to sort out. Not sending kids to school, arranged marriages-virtually child brides, ongoing feuds. These are serious human rights abuses in their own community. Traveller leaders would be better off addressing these issues than ethnicity whatever that means
JamboMac wrote: » DavidLyons_ wrote: » Sure thing Graces7. I mean Sleeper12. Yeah you noticed aswell that I had a disagreement with one account and then they responded in the other account but as the same person.
JamboMac wrote: I'm not attacking anyone and I initially gave you an out, I didn't lose face lose face or am close to losing face. I'm just saying initially it was graces and then it changed to you but the context of the same person.
jmayo wrote: » And then people like you wonder why hotels and pubs do not want them.
DavidLyons_ wrote: » I did indeed. Halfwit hasn't noticed him/herself yet. Some people are just nutjobs.
Graces7 wrote: » ANYTHING? This kind of post was entirely sadly predictable. Shameful.
Sleeper12 wrote: » I'm not suggesting that you intended it to sound the way it did. I sounded like you were calling travellers things. Like their offspring aren't human.
Sleeper12 wrote: » Well you said anything instead of anyone. What's your primary language?
Sleeper12 wrote: » Now it looks like you are calling travelers things or disabled people things. It's one or the other. I said originally that I'm sure you didn't mean for it to sound that way but you go straight on the attack. This now leaves me believing that you meant it the way it sounds & you are trying to weasel out of it. If I'm wrong here please explain how Thing or anything can refer to a human or handicapped baby?
Sleeper12 wrote: » I disagree. I don't thank every post I agree with nor do I comment or quote every post I disagree with. There could be some truth to this if you found lots of posters defending travellers and the posters are new accounts with only a few comments.
Sleeper12 wrote: » Lol you looked a total plonker. What part of calling a disabled baby a thing rather than a human do you not realise is wrong on so many levels. It's on a par with the ethnic cleansing genius.
Sleeper12 wrote: » JamboMac wrote: I'm not attacking anyone and I initially gave you an out, I didn't lose face lose face or am close to losing face. I'm just saying initially it was graces and then it changed to you but the context of the same person. Lol you looked a total plonker. What part of calling a disabled baby a thing rather than a human do you not realise is wrong on so many levels. It's on a par with the ethnic cleansing genius.
end of the road wrote: » because there isn't anything to notice. it is you who is making it up that people are using multiple accounts.
JamboMac wrote: Please walk away, i said noting of the sort, go put your words somewhere else other then my mouth whoever your skhizophrenic personality this is.
DavidLyons_ wrote: Deary me. What a sad life you must lead. You totally misinterpreted what the poster was saying (just to suit your ill-informed agenda) and in the midst of it all, you forgot which one of your usernames you were logged into. And you've the neck to call the poster a plonker?? Get out more. Maybe you'll encounter some travellers and receive an education as to how they usually conduct themselves.
Sleeper12 wrote: » JamboMac wrote: Please walk away, i said noting of the sort, go put your words somewhere else other then my mouth whoever your skhizophrenic personality this is. What did you actually mean when you said anything? If it was your mother, sister or daughter giving birth to a disabled baby would you have used the term"anything"? DavidLyons_ wrote: Deary me. What a sad life you must lead. You totally misinterpreted what the poster was saying (just to suit your ill-informed agenda) and in the midst of it all, you forgot which one of your usernames you were logged into. And you've the neck to call the poster a plonker?? Get out more. Maybe you'll encounter some travellers and receive an education as to how they usually conduct themselves. If you read the thread you'll see I gave him the benefit of the doubt and said that I'm sure he didn't mean it the way it sounded. But he came back on the attack for what reason I don't know. I copied and pasted his comments so didn't misquote him at all. I also included the dictionary definition of "anything" showing that it had no place in what he was saying. I'm happy for mods to look at both accounts. I didn't call anyone a plonker. I don't know him so don't know if he is a plonker or not. I pointed out that his comment was in bad taste and made him look like a plonker. I have encountered dozens of travellers and it's been a mixed bag. Criminals, bare knuckle fighters, studying in college, working full-time and paying tax. I even know some married to settled people. Unlike most posters here I'm not claiming that it's black and white. I'll even go as far as saying that more than half of travellers are trouble but there's thousands that aren't trouble. Plenty of people just trying to get on with life. I won't judge a traveller or anyone else for that matter based on generalizations or stereotypes. I like to judge a person based on their own actions. Not the actions of their family or friends.
DavidLyons_ wrote: If you read the thread you'll see I gave him the benefit of the doubt and said that I'm sure he didn't mean it the way it sounded. But he came back on the attack for what reason I don't know. I copied and pasted his comments so didn't misquote him at all. I also included the dictionary definition of "anything" showing that it had no place in what he was saying. I'm happy for mods to look at both accounts. I didn't call anyone a plonker. I don't know him so don't know if he is a plonker or not. I pointed out that his comment was in bad taste and made him look like a plonker. I have encountered dozens of travellers and it's been a mixed bag. Criminals, bare knuckle fighters, studying in college, working full-time and paying tax. I even know some married to settled people. Unlike most posters here I'm not claiming that it's black and white. I'll even go as far as saying that more than half of travellers are trouble but there's thousands that aren't trouble. Plenty of people just trying to get on with life. I won't judge a traveller or anyone else for that matter based on generalizations or stereotypes. I like to judge a person based on their own actions. Not the actions of their family or friends.
end of the road wrote: » wrong, left do gooder pc doesn't exist, apart from in the minds of bigots and racists.
Sleeper12 wrote: » DavidLyons_ wrote: If you read the thread you'll see I gave him the benefit of the doubt and said that I'm sure he didn't mean it the way it sounded. But he came back on the attack for what reason I don't know. I copied and pasted his comments so didn't misquote him at all. I also included the dictionary definition of "anything" showing that it had no place in what he was saying. I'm happy for mods to look at both accounts. I didn't call anyone a plonker. I don't know him so don't know if he is a plonker or not. I pointed out that his comment was in bad taste and made him look like a plonker. I have encountered dozens of travellers and it's been a mixed bag. Criminals, bare knuckle fighters, studying in college, working full-time and paying tax. I even know some married to settled people. Unlike most posters here I'm not claiming that it's black and white. I'll even go as far as saying that more than half of travellers are trouble but there's thousands that aren't trouble. Plenty of people just trying to get on with life. I won't judge a traveller or anyone else for that matter based on generalizations or stereotypes. I like to judge a person based on their own actions. Not the actions of their family or friends. Ah here. Utterly laughable stuff.
Omackeral wrote: » Is that so? Will either you're wrong or 96% of people on this thread are bigoted racists.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057712641
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