DavidLyons_ wrote: » Sure thing Graces7. I mean Sleeper12.
Sleeper12 wrote: » DavidLyons_ wrote: Pretty obvious that some of the posters defending travellers in this thread are using multiple log ins. The lack of thanks on the posts despite the various user names is a dead giveaway. A couple of them are glaringly, pathetically obvious. These people have also most likely never actually met a traveller. I disagree. I don't thank every post I agree with nor do I comment or quote every post I disagree with. There could be some truth to this if you found lots of posters defending travellers and the posters are new accounts with only a few comments.
DavidLyons_ wrote: Pretty obvious that some of the posters defending travellers in this thread are using multiple log ins. The lack of thanks on the posts despite the various user names is a dead giveaway. A couple of them are glaringly, pathetically obvious. These people have also most likely never actually met a traveller.
Nekarsulm wrote: » Its like the children's card game "Top Trumps" Their unique ethic diversity will always trump your right to your own goods, when the case comes to Court.
jmayo wrote: » Do you reckon you will get any action where the new social order is found not to be totally endorsed by the settled community and some folks take legal recourse to have their new standing as a different ethnic group fully accepted ? Think of it as caravan chasing.
end of the road wrote: » mynamejeff wrote: » there are few hard consequences for for many of the traveller specific crimes that are committed toohttp://www.irishtimes.com/news/travellers-involved-in-riot-receive-suspended-sentences-1.627184 ...http://www.radiokerry.ie/five-tralee-men-given-suspended-sentences-for-traveller-feud-violence/ ... the vast majority of those crimes you mentioned aren't traveler speciffic.
mynamejeff wrote: » there are few hard consequences for for many of the traveller specific crimes that are committed toohttp://www.irishtimes.com/news/travellers-involved-in-riot-receive-suspended-sentences-1.627184 ...http://www.radiokerry.ie/five-tralee-men-given-suspended-sentences-for-traveller-feud-violence/ ...
Judge Anthony Kennedy was told at a sitting of Mullingar Circuit Court, sitting in Tullamore, Co Offaly, that the riot was sparked because a member of the Nevin family had not paid a debt owed to the Dinnegan family. Members of the extended families live in Mullingar, with many residing on the Dalton Park estate where the riot took place. The court heard efforts had been made by a Government-appointed mediator to resolve tensions, but these had failed. The families decided to settle the issue with a 30-minute fight using rocks and weapons including swords, baseball bats and pitchforks.
Five Tralee men have been given suspended sentences for a violent incident connected to a Traveller feud.... The court heard as a result of a chance encounter the men who were in two transit vans followed a car into the Deerpark Estate. Three got out of the van with iron bars, slash hooks, golf clubs and a hatchet and set upon two cars. ... Jimmy Quilligan and Jimmy O’Brien also pleaded guilty to being involved in violent disorder at the funeral in Tralee of a father and daughter who had died in a house fire on May 16th 2012. Garda Emma Mullane said the feud arose from an altercation in a London scrap yard and has resulted in 93 incidents but now everything is peaceful.
A priest has described how he pleaded with a small group to stop fighting ahead of a wedding in Co Fermanagh only for their dispute to subsequently flare up again leading to the death of one of the men. The man in his 60s died after he was shot shortly after 1 pm on Wednesday outside the Catholic Church of the Immaculate Conception in Newtownbutler, Co Fermanagh.
end of the road wrote: » actually, they are discriminated against effectively for no reason. bigotry and the fact there are no consiquences for doing so. some black people are involved in crime yet discrimination toards black people as a whole is rightly not tolerated. travelers didn't earn discrimination. discrimination cannot be justified. not fitting into society isn't a justification for anything.
Deleted User wrote: » It's almost 2 decades since they were recognised as a separate ethnic group in NI. I presume the apocalypse came to pass up there...
lawred2 wrote: » Was that the 1920s?
fiachr_a wrote: » Ireland's some country, we can't integrate our Travellers or Northern Loyalists yet expect to integrate refugees.
Sleeper12 wrote: » They pay the same amount of rent as settled people in social housing. They don't get free housing. I'm not saying that they pay a lot but they don't get free housing
Sleeper12 wrote: » My point exactly.
AN ONLINE discussion centred around the travelling community has gone about as well as could be expected, WWN can reveal. Feeling the need to express an opinion in a public forum, Facebook user Catríona Fitzgibbon relayed a personal experience in which she allegedly had an interaction with a member of the travelling community. What started out as an innocent 1,900 word status posting soon descended into chaos as the residents of Facebook got wind of a discussion about travellers and were drawn to the post, compelled to add their own two cents, alongside completely unrelated and highly charged invectives.waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/03/22/online-discussion-about-travelling-community-going-as-well-as-expected/
ScumLord wrote: » The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. They have no reason to move from town to town because people can just drive themselves. We don't repair things anymore we just buy a new one. They could preserve what skills are left but they won't make a living at it.
Ronin247 wrote: » Travellers will now have to be given a voice in the Dail and be allowed to raise their own taxes and fund their own social welfare budgets from the taxes raised from all working travellers and all vehicle tax raised from travellers will fund the housing programs specifically for this important ethnic minority..... I hope.
Galwayguy35 wrote: When did they pay for their own houses?
jimgoose wrote: No he's not. It was a slip of the tongue, obviously you didn't mean to call anyone a thing, so just reverse over it and carry on as opposed to the usual thirty-seven pages of arguing over nonsense, for Jaysis' sake.
Sleeper12 wrote: » Now it looks like you are calling travelers things or disabled people things. It's one or the other. I said originally that I'm sure you didn't mean for it to sound that way but you go straight on the attack. This now leaves me believing that you meant it the way it sounds & you are trying to weasel out of it. If I'm wrong here please explain how Thing or anything can refer to a human or handicapped baby?
end of the road wrote: » when travelers did pay for their houses you and others were whining on here about it. and when they can't afford to you are still complaining. it was people "paying" for their houses who actually couldn't pay for them when it came down to it that helped cause this countries issues, so the less potential for it we have the better. and why don't you pay for your own health care rather then relying on the system we subsidize if you are so concerned about paying for your own health care
JamboMac wrote: » Your just looking for something to prove your superior to the rest us, get off the horse, off the Internet and do something useful, go volunteer in a traveller education centre maybe. See your opinion is your intelligent and accepting and rest of us are knuckle draggers, you took your view because of your perception of some of us. How far we fall from that high horse.
I have one also, with their thought on homosexual in their community I can only imagine what happens to anything with a disability. Then again they could just be offloading them onto institutions.
anything ˈɛnɪθɪŋ/ pronoun pronoun: anything used to refer to a thing, no matter what. "nobody was saying anything"
Sleeper12 wrote: » Well you said anything instead of anyone. What's your primary language?
JamboMac wrote: I don't get how you got that, makes no logical sense and speaks more volumes of you looking for things that don't exist.
end of the road wrote: » if that is the biggest reason then it really isn't a very good one, as rather a lot in the settled community are getting money from "sources" themselves. that is what revenue is there for, to determine as such. it's revenu's concern and it's their job to deal with the issue. when travelers did pay for their houses you and others were whining on here about it. and when they can't afford to you are still complaining. it was people "paying" for their houses who actually couldn't pay for them when it came down to it that helped cause this countries issues, so the less potential for it we have the better. and why don't you pay for your own health care rather then relying on the system we subsidize if you are so concerned about paying for your own health care those rules are all ready in place. people can be evicted from their social housing should they break the relevant rules. however, the state has a duty to provide accommodation for those who need it. what have personal computers got to do with anything?
Sleeper12 wrote: » I'm not suggesting that you intended it to sound the way it did. I sounded like you were calling travellers things. Like their offspring aren't human.
Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: » The source of the money.............. How many times must it be said that this is the single biggest reason there is distrust of travellers by the settled community?
Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: » I doubt their money is sourced by doing nixers. I'd be delighted if that was the case
Galwayguy35 wrote: » I don't see why they can't be means tested the same as everyone else and let the ones who can afford it buy their own houses and pay for their own healthcare.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » And those that do get houses if they wreck them kick them out and make sure they never get one again.
JamboMac wrote: » It's not a debate/discussion if we all agree but if you have certain opinions your racist or retarded or whatever, some people can't debate anything simple's and it's the fact our opinion may not be exactly PC, but we speak from experiences and not what read or hear about.
end of the road wrote: » why does it make you sick, and how is it unbelieveable. if you don't pay your vat on time then you will get a letter. that's your fault. pay your taxes on time then, and you won't get a letter from revenue. no they will get the lack of discrimination they are entitled to under law this minute. there is no excuse for discrimination, it's only done because people can get away with it, and those who do it use any excuse to legitimize it. the same is the case for other communities who face or faced the same treatment. nope, it's far from mythical "virtue signalling," which doesn't actually exist, but is only the latest buzz term. they are not less likely to happen. recognition of travelers means nothing in terms of the relevant authorities being able to enforce the law. they don't have the resources hence things have to be given priority. those who voted for the government voted for the authorities to have little resources. travelers are expected to live within the law and the laws are there all ready to deal with whatever. nope, i'm just interested in giving an opinion on a topic. the fact you don't like what i say is your problem and i care not one jot what you think. i'm glad you admit you haven't an argument against anything i have said. fantastic stuff. and if i wish to show support for bus or luas or train drivers or any other workers then i will do so.
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