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Does anyone know what the ethnic Traveller Status statement actually means?

Spanish Eyes

I'm just a bit puzzled by this impending statement by Enda Kenny, being delivered shortly.

Does it change any law, does it change the Constitution?

Does anyone know. Information is thin on the ground really AFAIS.

Thanks.

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end of the road

mynamejeff wrote: »

there are few hard consequences for for many of the traveller specific crimes that are committed too

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/travellers-involved-in-riot-receive-suspended-sentences-1.627184

http://www.thejournal.ie/family-man-died-traveller-family-court-3141888-Dec2016/

http://www.radiokerry.ie/five-tralee-men-given-suspended-sentences-for-traveller-feud-violence/

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/cork-sulky-racers-get-jail-terms-reduced-to-three-months-1.1587186

the vast majority of those crimes you mentioned aren't traveler speciffic.

JamboMac wrote: »

Is this all coz of the bloke from love/hate who went to america and claimed that black's in america is the same as traveller's in ireland. Black's where discriminated against for no reason, traveller's earned it for decades of criminal activity because they wouldn't just fit into society.

actually, they are discriminated against effectively for no reason. bigotry and the fact there are no consiquences for doing so. some black people are involved in crime yet discrimination toards black people as a whole is rightly not tolerated. travelers didn't earn discrimination. discrimination cannot be justified. not fitting into society isn't a justification for anything.

Spanish Eyes

Just wondered if anyone had a great interraction with a Traveller calling to their house.

I am sure there must be so many positive experiences, so let us know.

Boss.

[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote:

The big question for those who love Travellers is...

Personally I don't love all travellers nor do I hate all travellers. I know travellers that have full time jobs, paying taxes, the lot. I also know that a lot of travellers are into crime and violence. There's an ignorance in some posters making out that all travellers are the same. It's like saying all blond hair girls are the same or all curly hair boys are the same. It's not true and it's a foolish way to see the world imo

Annasopra

end of the road wrote: »

actually, they are discriminated against effectively for no reason. bigotry and the fact there are no consiquences for doing so. some black people are involved in crime yet discrimination toards black people as a whole is rightly not tolerated. travelers didn't earn discrimination. discrimination cannot be justified. not fitting into society isn't a justification for anything.

Exactly. Above you have someone calling for mass murder of people because they are travellers.

[Deleted User]

It's almost 2 decades since they were recognised as a separate ethnic group in NI. I presume the apocalypse came to pass up there...

BalcombeSt4

God, there's an awful lot of racist arseholes on this thread.

Fair play to the traveller people anyway.

Esel

Esel wrote: »

Thanked by sixteen users when I looked back.

Now down to fifteen! Who slyly unthanked?

Name and shame:

Thanks: arayess, booterboy, Bscan86, Commotion Ocean, DanMurphy, DavidLyons_, Dr Turk Turkelton, Filmer Paradise, Icsics, Johnny Jukebox, lazybones32, Oblivoid, Parachutes, Richard Hillman, ronnie3585, Super_Sonic

There are actually sixteen in the above list. There are twenty now:

Thanks: arayess, BattleCorp, booterboy, Bscan86, Commotion Ocean, DanMurphy, DavidLyons_, doncarlos, Dr Turk Turkelton, Filmer Paradise, Gavinz, Icsics, Johnny Jukebox, lazybones32, Oblivoid, Parachutes, Richard Hillman, ronnie3585, Super_Sonic, Vowel Movement

end of the road

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The big question for those who love Travellers is...

Do you live next to them right now?

OR, Would you live next to them and their caravans and all the rest of it?

I doubt you would like it, so you are trolls IMO if you say yes,

Would genuinely like an answer.

how are they trolls if they say yes, exactly? i suppose you believe that anyone who doesn't give you the answer you want to hear is a troll. and it's not about "loving" anyone, it's about not being a bigot and not discriminating against whole groups of people just because you can and you want to feel superior to others

JamboMac wrote: »

Nope it was the bloke from love/hate you might be able to get his show from the RTÉ player, also claimed they where like the native Americans and Mexicans. Fit in as in get a job since sharpening tools is gone, going to school, if they want to be actual travellers then staying in one spot isn't being a traveller and how is schooling going work if they actually did travel?

if you want them to get a job then quotas for all employers is the only way that is going to happen. that isn't going to happen so the unemployment rate is going to remain high.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Exactly. Above you have someone calling for mass murder of people because they are travellers.

indeed, i saw that particular poster's post. sounds like a nasty individual to me.

BalcombeSt4

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just wondered if anyone had a great interraction with a Traveller calling to their house.

I am sure there must be so many positive experiences, so let us know.

Boss.

Yes, several times when I was about 13 one of them called to my house to play football with us & a few other lads.

So yeah was a good craic.

JamboMac

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just wondered if anyone had a great interraction with a Traveller calling to their house.

I am sure there must be so many positive experiences, so let us know.

Boss.

Nope last week probably everyday of the week asked to cut the hedges and once twice in the same day, the second time just after my dad left in the jeep, I wonder why they would do that?

Have travellers actually bother trying to sociable with us country folk as they would call, we won't trust them because they want to keep their secrets and they won't trust us because we expect them to go to school and get a job.

[Deleted User]

Is it a good time to invest in a caravan and a hitch folks since id would be recognised as been part of an ethnic culture for some bizarre reason as opposed to simply being a person who chooses to live in a box with wheels ? :rolleyes:

Dyr

Cant wait for traveller history month

"My uncle antnee bet your faader below in ennis"

JamboMac

Bambi wrote: »

Cant wait for traveller history month

"My uncle antnee bet your faader below in ennis"

Will it not be into the west on a loop.

Richard Hillman

Bambi wrote: »

Cant wait for traveller history month

"My uncle antnee bet your faader below in ennis"

Traveler history is there most bogus thing ever. It was never written down for obvious reasons so it just gets the word of mouth treatment. There are A LOT of travelers that think they were the indeginous population before all of us arrived.

end of the road

JamboMac wrote: »

Nope last week probably everyday of the week asked to cut the hedges and once twice in the same day, the second time just after my dad left in the jeep, I wonder why they would do that?

Have travellers actually bother trying to sociable with us country folk as they would call, we won't trust them because they want to keep their secrets and they won't trust us because we expect them to go to school and get a job.

no they don't trust you because of discrimination. it's none of your business whether they go to school or get a job, that's the business of the authorities and revenue who we elect on our behalf to monitor such activities in relation to the population.

BalcombeSt4

JamboMac wrote: »

Nope last week probably everyday of the week asked to cut the hedges and once twice in the same day, the second time just after my dad left in the jeep, I wonder why they would do that?

Have travellers actually bother trying to sociable with us country folk as they would call, we won't trust them because they want to keep their secrets and they won't trust us because we expect them to go to school and get a job.

From the low level intellegence conversations going on in this thread I wouldn't expect anybody in Ireland to get a job anymore if there all this thick.

Sweetemotion

Esel wrote: »

There are actually sixteen in the above list. There are twenty now:

Thanks: arayess, BattleCorp, booterboy, Bscan86, Commotion Ocean, DanMurphy, DavidLyons_, doncarlos, Dr Turk Turkelton, Filmer Paradise, Gavinz, Icsics, Johnny Jukebox, lazybones32, Oblivoid, Parachutes, Richard Hillman, ronnie3585, Super_Sonic, Vowel Movement

Your high horse is getting bigger.

Bet you €1,000, you wouldn't let your kids walk into a halting site.

[Deleted User]

Bambi wrote: »

Cant wait for traveller history month

"My uncle antnee bet your faader below in ennis"

"Yeeeesss it started in Ballymahon when i bate you, and we met a year after and i bate ya agin"

[Deleted User]

end of the road wrote: »

no they don't trust you because of discrimination. it's none of your business whether they go to school or get a job, that's the business of the authorities and revenue who we elect on our behalf to monitor such activities in relation to the population.

Well in fact when they are dossing around with little education and no employment prospects it will be his business then because as a taxpayer his taxes will be funding this 'ethnic culture'

Sweetemotion

What are the elderly people of rural Ireland, who are intimidated by this "special culture" going to think. Seeing Enda Kenny giving them more rights. than the people they are intimidating?

Surly this is the end for Enda.

What a cnut.

JamboMac

end of the road wrote: »

no they don't trust you because of discrimination. it's none of your business whether they go to school or get a job, that's the business of the authorities and revenue who we elect on our behalf to monitor such activities in relation to the population.

But is that not them discriminating/prejudging settled people, see it's well that back in the day they had useful functions to do things farmers and so on, times changed they didn't.

All children in this country must go to school/get an education, their are truancy laws no, as for a job, how do they support themselves?

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

From the low level intellegence conversations going on in this thread I wouldn't expect anybody in Ireland to get a job anymore if there all this thick.

Sorry I couldn't write thesis on the plight of travellers maybe you can discuss the topic and not people in the thread, I'm not gonna resort to calling you names because your chip on your shoulder speaks for itself.

[Deleted User]

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What are the elderly people of rural Ireland, who are intimidated by this "special culture" going to think. Seeing Enda Kenny giving them more rights. than the people they are intimidating?

Surly this is the end for Enda.

What a cnut.

A weak miserable bully. The sooner that hapless clown retires from politics the better. That said, FG are full of his sort.

b_mac2

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Your high horse is getting bigger.

Bet you €1,000, you wouldn't let your kids walk into a halting site.

+1

The amount of virtue signalling on Boards makes me sick. I bet all these people would cross the road if they even thought a traveller might be approaching them.

DredFX

Slightly off topic but why do travellers receive so many dispensations in everyday life?

And don't say 'Pavee Point'. Honestly, what benefit do politicians stand to gain from pandering to these people who, regardless of how you feel about it, as a whole contribute little to the country? Is it extra votes? Fear of being called racist? Fear of getting a broken jaw?

Richard Hillman

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Your high horse is getting bigger.

Bet you €1,000, you wouldn't let your kids walk into a halting site.

The big question is, how many of those TDs that voted Yes would totally lose their **** if little Donncha or Sorcha came home with Jimmy Connors Jr or his sister :pac:

Working class heroes

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Your high horse is getting bigger.

Bet you €1,000, you wouldn't let your kids walk into a halting site.

I'll have some of that action. Who holds the dosh?

punisher5112

Its the new thing these days don't upset anyone or say no for fear of being called racist or getting sued.

I can't get what this has to do with politics as they should be working on more important issues and getting a government that can actually run the country.

85% unemployment rate amongst the group.

There may well be nice people in the group but by god the ones I come across are far from it.

Esel

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Your high horse is getting bigger.

Bet you €1,000, you wouldn't let your kids walk into a halting site.

It's a bet. You can name the halting site (as long as it's within a 30 mile radius of where I currently reside).

Maybe we can get one of the original **** thankers who have 'ironically' thanked (i.e. stalked) my posts to hold the money? There will be no seconds, just you, me, the kids and the escrow agent. I'm here all through Lent.

Working class heroes

Esel wrote: »

It's a bet. You can name the halting site (as long as it's within a 30 mile radius of where I currently reside).

Maybe we can get one of the original wthankers who have 'ironically' thanked (i.e. stalked) my posts to hold the money? There will be no seconds, just you, me, the kids and the escrow agent. I'm here all through Lent.

Jaysus don't let any of that lot hold your money, not to be trusted that lot....

[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote:

Just wondered if anyone had a great interraction with a Traveller calling to their house.

A traveller lady calls into the house next door to me. She's doing every Saturday for the 20 odd years I'm living here. My next door neighbour brings her in for a cup of tea and a chat or sometimes lunch. They even exchange Christmas gifts. This is a very positive thing for my neighbour.