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Does anyone know what the ethnic Traveller Status statement actually means?

Spanish Eyes

I'm just a bit puzzled by this impending statement by Enda Kenny, being delivered shortly.

Does it change any law, does it change the Constitution?

Does anyone know. Information is thin on the ground really AFAIS.

Thanks.

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Barry Badrinath

Will they start paying tax and obey the laws of the land now that they have "equality"?

Better not hold my breath.

ScumLord

lawred2 wrote: »

Was that the 1920s?

1950s. I remember a traveler coming to our house with those coal scuttles when I was a kid.

lawred2

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Will they start paying tax and obey the laws of the land now that they have "equality"?

Better not hold my breath.

They always had equality..

Barry Badrinath

lawred2 wrote: »

They always had equality..

I'm just echo'ing Pavee point.

[Deleted User]

Galwayguy35 wrote:

I pity any barman trying to deal with rowdy travellers from tomorrow on, look at them sideways and they will shout racism.

Ethnicity isn't a race.
I can see everyone finds it all very humorous but we were the laughing stock of Europe. We were the only country in the EU not to recognize them as an ethnic group. People might not be happy about it but 27 different countries came to this belief separately so there must be something to it.

humberklog

That Pavee Point needs a good toe up the hole.

Sue Pa Key Pa

I'm done, they've won. This is is going to be the biggest gamechanger to society in Ireland for decades to come. God help us all

dd972

98% of them are in the UK so have never understood the paranoia about them or why they're such a conversational hobby horse.

jelutong

maryishere wrote: »

Wonder will it mean that 1% of job vacancies in eg McDonalds, Tesco, Dunnes etc will now have to be given to them?

Plenty experience in takeaways.

Spanish Eyes

But what law can be invoked to settle any claim by Travellers following this "Ethnic Statement" does anyone know?

I think in my bunker that the UN said we must give them ethnic status, and Enda Kenny said OK, and may be off there soon anyway when he resigns.

Top line on the Enda Kenny cv list for the UN gig, LOL.

omega man

The stats on traveller education, employment and health are shocking (assume criminality too). Their 'Ethnicity' plays no part in that. Politicians and the media etc. conveniently ignore this.

Spanish Eyes

omega man wrote: »

The stats on traveller education, employment and health are shocking (assume criminality too). Their 'Ethnicity' plays no part in that. Politicians and the media etc. conveniently ignore this.

Is that shocking because Travellers do not partake, or because there is insufficient resources?

You can take a horse to water......

omega man

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Is that shocking because Travellers do not partake, or because there is insufficient resources?

You can take a horse to water......

It's not resources. Clearer??!!

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Sleeper12 wrote: »

We were the only country in the EU not to recognize them as an ethnic group.People might not be happy about it but 27 different countries came to this belief separately so there must be something to it.

This may or may not be true. If true that is very understandable as they are Irish Travellers and those 27 countries are presumably not Ireland. Claiming people with surnames like Ward/Mac an Bhaird, Connors/ Ó Conchúir, Joyce/Seoige, McDonagh/Mac Donncha and so forth are not "ethnically" as Irish as the rest of the Irish population has never seemed plausible to me.

To me, their socio-economic tradition is that of the spailpín fánach class of itinerant labourers that goes back to the Cromwellian plantations in the 1650s. But their ethnicity has always been Irish.

thomasm

They are now entitled to services consistent with their culture according to local TD. Stables all around then ...

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

This may or may not be true. If true that is very understandable as they are Irish Travellers and those 27 countries are presumably not Ireland. Claiming people with surnames like Ward/Mac an Bhaird, Connors/ Ó Conchúir, Joyce/Seoige, McDonagh/Mac Donncha and so forth are not "ethnically" as Irish as the rest of the Irish population has never seemed plausible to me.

To me, their socio-economic tradition is that of the spailpín fánach class of itinerant labourers that goes back to the Cromwellian plantations in the 1650s. But their ethnicity has always been Irish.

Indeed. Just because some decided to wander around they now seem to have more rights than I have!

Anyway, I have learned something tonight. Grainne and her sister are Joyces.

Never knew that.

Spanish Eyes

thomasm wrote: »

They are now entitled to services consistent with their culture according to local TD. Stables all around then ...

I still do not know what law, regulation or whatever changes anything to do with ethnic status of Travellers after Kenny's statement. It is a mystery!

NIMAN

I listened to several radio reports today, from politicians to spokes people for travellers, to travellers themselves, and not one mentioned the elephant in the room.

Lot of talk about their culture, their history, their rights etc.......

Berserker

The biggest difference will be that anti-Traveller discrimination, in any form, will be understood as racism. Also, more funding will be made available to the community and budget cutbacks will be reversed. Traveller accommodation and education funding was cut by 80% in the 2008 budget, for example. Those cutbacks are not consistent with other groups in the country.

Sam Kade

McLoughlin wrote: »

I don't think they are an ethnic group they are just irish people that at one point began to live a different way and travellers refuse to modernise and they want society to pay for them yet they don't want to contribute anything to society.

The one issue that concerns me is the travellers believe they have a freedom to go where ever they want so will they have a legal right to trespass ?

Nonsense, they are nomads that came from Europe in the 1500's. If you put a traveller in with a group of 100 settled Irish people the majority of people could point him out.

red ears

judeboy101 wrote: »

They can now access bucketloads of European money and now euro law can be used against government if they don't respect all aspects of their culture.

I won't be voting Fine Gael in the next election anyway. I think they have misread the public opinion on this.

Richard Hillman

Sam Kade wrote: »

Nonsense, they are nomads that came from Europe in the 1500's. If you put a traveller in with a group of 100 settled Irish people the majority of people could point him out.

No they are not. The post you quoted was correct.

http://www.thejournal.ie/traveller-community-study-rcsi-3231070-Feb2017/

Sam Kade

Richard Hillman wrote: »

No they are not. The post you quoted was correct.

http://www.thejournal.ie/traveller-community-study-rcsi-3231070-Feb2017/

Can you explain the reason they look so different to settled Irish people if they came from settled Irish people?

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Deleted User wrote:

This may or may not be true. If true that is very understandable as they are Irish Travellers and those 27 countries are presumably not Ireland. Claiming people with surnames like Ward/Mac an Bhaird, Connors/ Ã“ ConchÃºir, Joyce/Seoige, McDonagh/Mac Donncha and so forth are not "ethnically" as Irish as the rest of the Irish population has never seemed plausible to me.

Deleted User wrote:

To me, their socio-economic tradition is that of the spailpÃn fÃ¡nach class of itinerant labourers that goes back to the Cromwellian plantations in the 1650s. But their ethnicity has always been Irish.

You should google ethnicity. It actually describes them perfectly.
I'm not saying you have to like travellers & maybe everyone's opinions of them are true (or not) but that doesn't mean that they are not an ethnic group. This is why all the EU countries recognised Irish travellers as an ethic group. Kenny had no choice but to make them an ethnic group. We looked stupid when the rest of the EU recognised them & we did not
You don't have to like travellers but they do fit the definition of unique ethnicity. They tic all the boxes.

Fred Swanson

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Spanish Eyes wrote:

I still do not know what law, regulation or whatever changes anything to do with ethnic status of Travellers after Kenny's statement. It is a mystery!

They are now protected under any Irish law that protects any ethnic group.

Spanish Eyes

Let's get the elephant out of the room now.

TD's in the Dail will never have to endure Traveller culture. End of story for those who do. Same for the morons in the Irish Times who don't report on reality, but on their own SJW feelings, the hell with the rest of us. Bet they are not within spitting distance of Travellers either.

We are softies WRT certain lawbreakers for sure. But we have to be because we are muzzled by PC leftie right on so called justice warriors.

My fekkin ar se, I bet 99% of people would not choose to live near a Traveller if they have a choice. Just ask people. I would not like to be living next to the clan either.

But that is me being judgmental. The family could be fine... it's the extended clan that is the problem. No way. I would just leave. End of.

Surely a person can voice their opinion. I always thought North Korea would muzzle you before this country. Not so.

Working class heroes

Sam Kade wrote: »

Can you explain the reason they look so different to settled Irish people if they came from settled Irish people?

What does an Irish person look like? Is there a formula? What's the criteria?
You have me wondering now, am I really Irish........

Richard Hillman

Sam Kade wrote: »

Can you explain the reason they look so different to settled Irish people if they came from settled Irish people?

If you breed with the same families over and over again, you'll tend to get distinct family features. Look at the House of Windsor and the royal families of Europe. If you did your homework on travelers, you wouldn't be just able to spot them in a crowd, you would be able to tell what family they are from

Spanish Eyes

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They are now protected under any Irish law that protects any ethnic group.

Any pointers to those laws?

Not getting at you, but this is all so very vague, with consequences for many.

But Enda Kenny will get a job with the UN for doing this. The last sting of a dying wasp.