Andersonisgod wrote: » When the team has been set up to be a possession based side literally from day 1 of Guardiola's reign, wouldn't it be rather self defeating to intentionally kick the ball back to the opposition everytime you get it?
The Talking Bread wrote: » Gerrard has more of a football brain than any of us so I would respect what he says in this regard, The goal was stunning, everyone agrees about that but I assume Gerrard is criticising the fact that this style of play, whilst it proves stunning when its pulled off, will lead to more problems than success on the balance of averages. Acknowledging the excellence of that particular goal does not prevent you from putting forward the view that building your tactics around same style will lead to more problems inevitably in the long run. Its not that hard of a point he is making to understand.
764dak wrote: » Next week's matches seem kinda lame.
blueser wrote: » It's not easy, holding my tongue in check. Some of the anti-City, anti-Guardiola stuff on here is hard to take. But people are entitled to their opinions. I try to come across as even handed most of the time (though, being Manchester born and bred, I have to admit, I do like to see your mob lose!). I try to keep the poisonous stuff out of it though, if at all possible.
Andersonisgod wrote: » All of that would be true if City were toiling or if Guardiola were some journeyman coach. City, all things considered, have done pretty well this season and Guardiola is one of the most successful, and renowned, coaches of his era and he's done that by playing this brand of football. It's become the norm now for most top sides to, at least, play out from the back. Having watched Souness pre match and at half time and then Gerrard full time, it was again so jarring that in the face of a really great modern football match, these British football stalwarts really do lag behind, which is why it should not be a surprise as to why they do not create, comparatively, more top level coaches. Anyway, I won't comment on this anymore because I can see where it's going and where the thread will go thereafter. I'll end on this: Great game, great night of football, the kind of game that makes you remember why you enjoy the sport in the first place. Massive credit to Leonardo Jardim and Pep Guardiola, two very brave, very modern and very talented coaches for the work they have done with their respective sides and the showcase the players from both sides tonight gave us.
sReq | uTeK wrote: » He's never been challenged in l his reigns as a manager...he had the best 11 in potentially the history of the game with Barcelona. He went to Bayern and in many eyes didnt live up to the hype. Yes he won a league and cup double. Not hard in Germany when Dortmund were no existent for 1 1/2 of his years on charge and when you factor in that fact they just go and buy their competitors best players. .
sReq | uTeK wrote: » He's never been challenged in l his reigns as a manager...he had the best 11 in potentially the history of the game with Barcelona. He went to Bayern and in many eyes didnt live up to the hype. Yes he won a league and cup double. Not hard in Germany when Dortmund were no existent for 1 1/2 of his years on charge and when you factor in that fact they just go and buy their competitors best players. His reign at City has been questionable to say the least. Persisting with a tactic when he CLEARLY does not have the footballing defenders he needs is madness.. he's dropped Bravo on what looks to be a media onslaught. Yes they're sitting 2nd, but just remember 2 game weeks ago they were 5th. And could be there again with one loss. He's a good coach, however I feel he's very much one dimensional. If his teams doesn't have the ball for 70% of the game and press hard then I don't understand his game plan. That's not a tactical genius that you seem convey with every post. I'd say his team talks could literally consist of Go out, play football from the back and don't hoof the ball.....and try not to tackle. Tackling is bad. As for the Gerrard comment. Of course he can praise a goal. You praise halfway line goals when they go in. It doesn't mean you encourage your players to do it EVERY TIME they get the ball at the half way line.
sky88 wrote: » i see this thrown at pep a lot that bayern always win it easily but do you consider when united have won the league easily in some years that this takes away from how good a manager fergie was.
sky88 wrote: » sReq | uTeK wrote: » He's never been challenged in l his reigns as a manager...he had the best 11 in potentially the history of the game with Barcelona. He went to Bayern and in many eyes didnt live up to the hype. Yes he won a league and cup double. Not hard in Germany when Dortmund were no existent for 1 1/2 of his years on charge and when you factor in that fact they just go and buy their competitors best players. . i see this thrown at pep a lot that bayern always win it easily but do you consider when united have won the league easily in some years that this takes away from how good a manager fergie was.
dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: » To be fair Fergie built Utd into that team and then rebuilt the team over a few times and Wenger did the same in his first decade. Pep has never built a team and I think thats why he came to City
sky88 wrote: » i would agree with that totally but its very rare for any modern manager to build the team anymore as all the big teams have the money to buy who they want. i think pep and jose have never really built a team, they have already had very good squads when they got there. maybe jose at porto did but tbh im too sure about it but with jose he has always been great at adding the finishing touches to make a squad great.
The Golden Miller wrote: » You're not too sure about the brilliant job Jose done at Porto?
Andersonisgod wrote: » I won't engage in the Pep debate again cos it's super boring and it seems to occur 80% of the tim with Man Utd Boards. When you have a poster who thinks a coach who is lauded by almost every coach on the planet for his match preparation and eye for detailing actually suggesting his pre match team talks consist of "attack, pass and press." Then really, what hope for intelligent debate exists? I'll quickly leave you with this to ponder. The Barcelona team he inherited lost to Man Utd in a CL semi finals without scoring a goal over 2 legs and finished 3rd in La Liga, behind Real Madrid and Villareal, 18 points behind Real Madrid. Never let history be rewritten.
The Talking Bread wrote: »
Andersonisgod wrote: » The pinky promise is sacred and I'm not sure I could commit to it but I'm really gonna try and refrain. I do think the Man Utd Boards member whose comment I referenced does raise an interesting topic in the growing chasm between professional football and it's fans and how that empty space is filled instead with one dimensional speak, easily relatable characters and generally dumbed down narratives but I don't think this is the thread for that, far more interesting, debate so I left it off.
The Talking Bread wrote: » Mate, you need to get over yourself! The use of the phrase "pub banter" as your signature is a tad ironic when you go off on one of your rants!
The Talking Bread wrote: » So, eh, Leicester..........what are we talking 4/5-0 tonight?! 2-2 in other game
Andersonisgod wrote: » My lord what a goal! Bust out the bunting in England, Guardiola's vision is starting to take shape.
Andersonisgod wrote: » This City side is so far ahead in it's development path than where anybody probably thought they'd be. This is a fantastic Monaco side and their matching them attack for attack (something that no other side in England could probably do) and they sit 2nd in the league, all the while carrying some players who are probably past their best or just not up to the level you need. It's incredible that anyone would write off City like this after that half of football.
Andersonisgod wrote: » Goal!!! 2 great teams, great goals. Enjoyment should always count for something in football and these 2 teams can be proud that they deliver that for their respective fans.
tayto lover wrote: » Mario Zagala the Brazilian manager of the famous 1970 World Cup winning team said he'd rather win 6 - 5 than 1 - 0. Far more entertaining.
Fuhrer wrote: » This is the best game ever.
Burial. wrote: » Best CL game of all time. Absolutely nuts.
tastyt wrote: » I think the criticism pep gets about his time at bayern just shows how great people expect or believe him to be. He coasted to the leagues, not something bayern are currently doing and most if not all of the players speak very highly of his time. It seems if guardiola doesnt win the champions league every single year its a failure!! Thats just nonsense, its incredibly hard to win and even Ferguson only managed it twice with the great teams he had. City are second and certainly a huge work in progress but I would be very suprised if they are not out in front this time next season
jmayo wrote: » How exactly does Stones fit into this vision ? Yeah two fantastic sides who at times defended worst than some under 10s. Great teams ?? If either of these go up against a proper side they will be mulched. That was easy when you had Pele, Jairzinho, Gerson, Tostao and Rivelino attacking. Also don't forget they had Carlos Alberta at the back. Check out 2005 final for a game of two different halves that actually decided the destination of the trophy. And no I am not a fan of them. How anyone can think last nights match was the greatest ever is beyond comprehension. Yep there was some good attacking football, and a spectacular individual goal but jaysus on a bike, the defending was pure muck at times. Aguero was gifted his first goal and his second involved absolute pathetic defending from a Monaco defender who basically cowered as Aguero took his shot.
