mikemac2 wrote: » November last year SIPTU and the NBRU were looking for a pay increase of 11.25% over three years. The media threw out a headline grabbing figure of 21% but we all know the dance, aim sky high, climb down and appear reasonable By the first week of January the NBRU have gone from looking for increases to trying to fight cuts This situation went 360 degrees in a blink of a eye I can't ever remember a situation like this
Idbatterim wrote: » in fairness if you were a bus eireann driver, you could question, why should you, who just happens to be an expressway driver, take the hit and your colleagues who just happen through chance, to be working for a different arm are left unscathed? Politics will play a large part in this...
Harry Palmr wrote: » As I understand it, Expressway accounts for 90% of Bus Eireann losses so the logical thing to do would be to hive off Expressway to a new company on fresh terms and conditions that reflect the reality of the market. Or is that just too obvious?
Idbatterim wrote: » I mean across the entire PS, many want pay increases and are already well overpaid! While some of their shorting serving colleagues are possibly being underpaid. Time to start looking at this in a more surgical manor!
hat has all ready either been done, or is in the process of being done.
end of the road wrote: » that has all ready either been done, or is in the process of being done.
Idbatterim wrote: » ridiculous! 45k average for clerical staff! LOL Blanket pay increase claims are now beyond off the wall, time to look into who is doing what and getting paid what and decide from there!
Infini2 wrote: » How exactly is 45k a year excessive to be honest? When you take taxes into account that drops it down to what? €600 a week? Its not alot when you factor in morgages, bills, kids etc it only LOOKS big. When you take everything out it could be alot less by the time everything is paid for.
Jamie2k9 wrote: » Serious?? Could be between 35-40k at most and that's been kind. DB isn't even that high (?) Chances are private operators are earning 25-30k at a push.
n97 mini wrote: » What's the 833? Do they mean 33?
The document identifies a number of routes being considered for closure. They include the X7 Dublin to Clonmel route, the 021 Athlone to Westport route and the 833 Dublin to Derry route.
The company says that at present there are 1,378 full time drivers whom on average last year worked an average of 1.6 hours overtime per day in 2016.
Driver basic rates of pay of approximately €32,000 are not out of line with industry averages and this rate is not an impediment to competitiveness. However, driver total earnings are high, last year average earnings were €47,000 with a significant number earning over €60,000 which also suggests that many drivers earned much less than the average. In many cases, the higher earning drivers have an easier schedule with less weekend work and less actual revenue generating driving time. Newer drivers tend to be on the lower earnings even though they work more weekends.
However, we believe the average rate of clerical pay at approximately €45k is excessive and cannot be justified. Normally, a company would have more people at the standard pay levels and reducing to a much smaller number with higher level responsibilities. In Bus Éireann the pyramid is inverted
end of the road wrote: » EU countries have been getting around those rules when it suits for years. lets not pretend otherwise.
Bass Reeves wrote: » I cannot see how tax funding can be diverted to it as state aid is not allowed. State aid is a cross sectoral issue that the EU commission comes down very hard on whether it is direct or indirect.
Infini2 wrote: » Brendan Bendar wrote: » I think you have omitted the most important issue. The company would go to the wall unless costs were reduced. Jumping the gun there the strikes have only been suspended not called off. They're willing to talk as they have said and because the threat of pay cuts has been pulled pack they're keeping their word in that regard. Ultimately though no matter how much ross tries to keep out of it he eventually may have no choice but to get involved unless of course hes sacked but its a combination of policy and management thats causing this whole dispute. Core pay won't he budged on staff arent gonna be forced to take reducions in their pay because their jobs are being undermined by bad decisions.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » I think you have omitted the most important issue. The company would go to the wall unless costs were reduced.
Infini2 wrote: » Jumping the gun there the strikes have only been suspended not called off. They're willing to talk as they have said and because the threat of pay cuts has been pulled pack they're keeping their word in that regard. Ultimately though no matter how much ross tries to keep out of it he eventually may have no choice but to get involved unless of course hes sacked but its a combination of policy and management thats causing this whole dispute. Core pay won't he budged on staff arent gonna be forced to take reducions in their pay because their jobs are being undermined by bad decisions.
Infini2 wrote: » Theres been no bluff called. I honestly dont know what your going on about. The strike was coming about because of unilateral pay cuts by management. That was the whole core trigger for it. When management backed off when asked by the wrc the union had done its job in that regard and suspended the strike. Honestly I dont know what logic your applying to your argument but its clearly invalid here.
end of the road wrote: » nope. no clime down. nobody is backed into a corner. clearly there is room for discussion and both sides want to avoid a strike, so are going to talk it out. a good result that will hopefully bare a deal that will insure good staff relations and save the company.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Looks like they are standing up to the unions on this one.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Unions backed themselves into a corner. Embarrassing climb down by OLeary. After all his rhetoric and bluster.
