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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

dowlingm

So there's been quite a bit of discussion of greenways on threads like Western Rail Corridor (Train & Rail Systems) and I was thinking it might be useful to have a thread which pulls together both technical discussion (for example how greenways can co-exist with adjacent roadways or railways) and news (expansions of existing greenways / announcements of new ones)

According to the Connaught Tribune there are moves on getting on Galway-Clifden along the old rail line alignment. Is there anything else starting to reach firm proposals as opposed to discussion?

MOD EDIT: Fantastic Greenway map of Ireland by riddlinrussell here: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1HAHB3jpXV7qgrTHgopH4Zl7-ItDHGEPv&ll=53.4320326010536%2C-8.939188105408448&z=7

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L1011

Draft Maynooth Traffic Plan actually has some new alignment, not beside/replacing existing route cycle and walking paths marked as "Greenways". Seems to be an intent to actually have some nicer places to walk to do a Sli na Slainte route more than anything else and will be interesting to see if KCC care what the consultants have suggested.

Muckyboots

serfboard wrote: »

Thanks for posting this. Once again, Shane Ross comes across like a complete bollocks.

Cutting the tape on the previous Minister's promises suffices as progress for him. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck but walks with a limp, then it's probably Shane Ross.

serfboard

marno21 wrote: »

Parliamentary question on greenways in Dublin from today: https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2017-06-28a.411

Thanks for posting this. Once again, Shane Ross comes across like a complete bollocks.

marno21

Parliamentary question on greenways in Dublin from today: https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2017-06-28a.411

serfboard

marno21 wrote: »

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=111327&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Tender out today for construction of 3.5km of Carlingford Lough greenway.

An interesting quote from that tender:

Please note our portal www.newrymournedown.org/procurement is not part of or subject to www.e-tenders.ie but they kindly allow us to publish this notice and promote this project.

plodder

marno21 wrote: »

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=111327&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Tender out today for construction of 3.5km of Carlingford Lough greenway.

That's on the NI side of the border. So, there would be a good few km from there to link with the existing Carlingford greenway. It will be good when the whole thing is finished. I go walking up there the odd time, and only found the existing bit by chance. It could do with a few more links connecting it with other walking routes in the area.

marno21

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=111327&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

Tender out today for construction of 3.5km of Carlingford Lough greenway.

whyulittle

Over 1,500 used Athlone greenway extension on one day

The Athlone to Mullingar greenway has been hailed as a major success story and an example for other greenway projects to follow by Transport Minister Shane Ross.

"This is actually achieving everything we want to see from greenways," said Minister Ross on Friday last.

"It's attracting new people to visit the area, it's providing an amenity for local people to cycle on, and it's also making it easier and safer for people to cycle to work and school."

Read More at westmeathindependent.ie.

Zubeneschamali

marno21 wrote: »

Tender has gone out for construction of a greenway in Co. Leitrim.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=110723&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

It's a lot more than 830m from Ballinamore to Corgar along the old railway alignement, more like 2.5 K.

marno21

Tender has gone out for construction of a greenway in Co. Leitrim.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=110723&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

and in Co. Kerry

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=110677&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

marno21

Breakdown of Greenway funding since 2011 here:

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-03-23a.519

Bray Head

There was uproar among the farming community when it was originally proposed to bring a
from Ballinasloe to Galway through farmland, dissecting farm holdings along the way. This proposal was eventually shelved following major opposition from farmers and the IFA.

:):)

Mod: Please do not use large text in posts. Remove statements such as from the quotes.

Response: It is bold text, not large text. I was trying to draw attention to a typo in the Connacht Tribune but, I guess, once you've explained the joke, it's lost.

Muckyboots

Minister Sean Canney's spinning of 18 months of behind the scenes hard work on behalf of a range of stakeholders, front page of Connaught Tribune, and facilitating a half-cocked presentation to Tuam Municipal Council ( not even on the route) in what seems to be a deliberate attempt at a spoiler against the Athenry-Tuam rail proposal has put the Dublin-Galway campaign firmly on the defensive again. "Greenway has now become a dirty word among farming community" IFA County Chairman.
http://connachttribune.ie/alternative-greenway-route-link-historical-sites-across-east-county-487

yer man!

loyatemu wrote: »

well we have the route along the Grand Canal and planning is well advanced for a similar route on the north quays. The route along the coast from Sutton to Clontarf is nearly complete too though sadly the planned route along the Dodder has been put on the long finger.

Ah yes I know the grand canal one, that does look great in fairness. Just saw the north quays design, that would be fantastic. I do imagine this would cause significant resistance however.

loyatemu

yer man! wrote: »

I wonder if there's any appetite to build some cycle super highways here like they are in London. Seems like such a good option in the cities.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/routes-and-maps/cycle-superhighways

well we have the route along the Grand Canal and planning is well advanced for a similar route on the north quays. The route along the coast from Sutton to Clontarf is nearly complete too though sadly the planned route along the Dodder has been put on the long finger.

yer man!

I wonder if there's any appetite to build some cycle super highways here like they are in London. Seems like such a good option in the cities.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/routes-and-maps/cycle-superhighways

MJohnston

What about the coloured asphalt that you see in some places? I think Phoenix Park has it on the cycle paths, it's a green colour, like this:

loyatemu

trouble a-brewin' over the Barrow greenway: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/major-battle-brewing-over-controversial-plan-for-115km-cycle-path-on-river-35389268.html

I'm not a huge fan of black asphalt on rural paths - it's fine for cycling on, but I prefer something more rustic for walking (while still cyclable with the appropriate tyres). Rolled grit maybe, but as pointed out it requires more maintenance (which it's unlikely to get in Ireland where nothing is ever maintained) and is more expensive in the long run.

Hexen

Deedsie wrote: »

What would the difference in cost be between a crushed stone cycle track v tarmac cycle track plus upkeep?

According to Sustrans, costs of constructing bound and unbound trails are broadly similar. However:

Based on a whole life comparison, unbound surfaces [limestone, gravel] are at least 50% more expensive than bound surfaces [tarmac, etc.]. However, there are many factors that can accelerate the rate of wear on an unbound path, which would make the cost difference even greater.
Cycle Path Surface Options

Further:

Sustrans initially surfaced many off-road sections of the National Cycle Network with unbound limestone or granite dust surfaces, which were considered most economic and more environmentally friendly at the time. Experience over the last 15-20 years or so has shown however that already significant path sections have suffered erosion, rutting, ponding or other damage that make these paths very unattractive and unusable in very wet weather conditions. Annual maintenance requirements for unbound surfaces are generally higher than for bound surfaces.

They estimate the total cost for 50 year life cycle of a bound path at £120 per m2 and for an unbound path at £170 m2.

L1011

Crushed stone tracks near me are unsuitable for even my minor asthma in dry weather - the amount of dust they fire up is unreal

hi5

What is crushed stone, from google images it looks like gravel?:eek:

Sam Russell

MJohnston wrote: »

Crushed stone can be uneven and a bit dodgy for road or hybrid bikes, Sams probably referring to how likely it will be to cause a few cycling injuries.

Or if you like, turn a minor spill into a hospital case.

If I come off my bike (heaven forbid) I would not like it to be on crushed stone. Nor would I like to try and cycle any distance or at any high speed on crushed stone as the resistance would be horrible.

Smooth tarmac is the only surface for bikes on a greenway. Greenway is not cyclecross.

MJohnston

Crushed stone can be uneven and a bit dodgy for road or hybrid bikes, Sams probably referring to how likely it will be to cause a few cycling injuries.

loyatemu

Sam Russell wrote: »

Crushed stone does not show the blood left by cyclists who fall off.

serfboard

Sam Russell wrote: »

Crushed stone does not show the blood left by cyclists who fall off.

Is cyclists falling off bikes a common phenomenon?

Sam Russell

Crushed stone does not show the blood left by cyclists who fall off.

MJohnston

crushed stone...hmm

loyatemu

Greenway planned for the Blessington Lakes: http://wicklow.ie/development-greenway-blessington

Carawaystick

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101125784&postcount=497

Sam Russell

Carawaystick wrote: »

The Deise Greenway has opened from Kilmacthomas to Dungarvan

This gem of a post from the waterford city forum caught my eye

The link does not work.