Jawgap wrote: » We're a bit behind the Brits, the French and the Germans......but not that far.....
darkpagandeath wrote: » Who said it would stop that ?
darkpagandeath wrote: » Yes a Tiny unit of the Garda.... Where them the lads enda was sending to the ATM's ?
Jawgap wrote: » That's just a few lads from one of the ASUs, there's also the ERU (which is a member of the ATLAS Network of special police units in Europe) ......and as I said, in response to the facile idea that militarisation of the police wasn't happening in Ireland, we are behind a lot of other countries, but it doesn't mean it's not happening.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Why have two multi billion pound air forces doing the same job? We have no other use for one. We have an arrangement that is clearly working. The British wouldn't do it if it wasn't in their own interests.
FrancieBrady wrote: » We have an arrangement that is clearly working. The British wouldn't do it if it wasn't in their own interests.
maryishere wrote: » Why not Francie? They do not have the bitterness for us that you have for them. They have helped us out on numerous occasions when it was solely in ours or others interests over the years / had nothing to do with them.
darkpagandeath wrote: » British troops on Irish soil bad... British jets in the sky's helping good...
darkpagandeath wrote: » I wondering when I am expecting to be gunned down on the streets by belligerent Militarised Garda. :eek:
Jawgap wrote: » I'm not sure where you get belligerent from? Militarisation =/= belligerence. You said militarisation of the police wasn't happening in Ireland, you were provided with evidence and now you're twisting it on to something else in some ridiculous effort to deflect.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It makes a nice change? There is no threat to sovereignty when we agree stuff with them. I'm sure the unionists would get squeakier bums if we started muscling up though. Think 1969, Jack Lynch, if we had had air cover, anything was possible. Maybe we should!
darkpagandeath wrote: » How many do we have in the Republic to get Squeaky bums ?
darkpagandeath wrote: » Having a response to a situation is not Militarisation. En mass like the USA would be. Every Garda station does not have a SWAT team or RIOT Police or Armed Response. Some will have RIOT gear.
Stars and Stripes wrote: » And the British and French were going to beat the Nazi's in no time and the war would be over by Xmas Funny enough Adolf invaded a few smaller countries such as Greece, Yugoslavia etc and it took a lot more than 48 hours. Sure that war criminal Churchill could have resurrected the Black and Tans to put some manners on Paddy , only problem was, with a British invasion the German's might have took the chance to give the British a good ar$e kicking again like they did in Norway.
Jawgap wrote: » Ok, your mixing up public order and armed support units. The guys on the right of the photo I posted are sporting HK416 carbines - which may be more quickly recognised as a variant of the AR-15, in other words assault weapons more usually seen in the hands of soldiers. Likewise, the MP7s the other two have fire body-armour piercing rounds...... ......don't get me wrong, if the cops have to pull a weapon I'd prefer if they had the biggest gun at the fight, but weapons that fire high velocity rounds are military weapons......police weapons for obvious tactical reasons tended to fire heavier, lower velocity rounds. And that's even before you get to considering the rest of their tactical gear including the combat pattern helmet.
FrancieBrady wrote: » When 3 jets hit targets on 9-11.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Jets were scrambled a airliner was shot down.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Air defences of the worlds superpower were useless in preventing the loss of almost as many people that were killed in our 40 year conflict. So much for multi trillion defence spending.
darkpagandeath wrote: » So don't bother having a military or defence ? They were not useless they prevent further deaths. You advocating shooting down those plans already in a area of mass human habitation ? That could have lead to even more deaths than that was caused by the air strikes ?
Reati wrote: » Your tinfoil is showing
Gatling wrote: » Just looking at coasts Canada was recently offered 65 Saab Gripens multirole fighters for 6bn with maintenance and parts included , Not a bad deal , We would end up paying twice that for for 1980s hand me downs by some minister thinking we would be getting something amazing, What's slightly ironic about us relying on the RAF for protection the RAF are reliant on the US ,Canada and France (if I'm correct) for dedicated maritime patrol aircraft since they never replaced the aincient Nimrod
prinzeugen wrote: » The Nimrod was being replaced.. With another Nimrod. Best plane for the job. The **** Blair left the UK in meant it was scrapped along with the Harrier overnight. There are pictures of the brand new airframes being scrapped.
maryishere wrote: » The agreement referred to here? http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/raf-tornado-jets-could-shoot-down-hijacked-planes-in-irish-airspace-414646.html?utm_source=recirc&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=recirc
prinzeugen wrote: » There must be truth in that as they agreed that Tornados would shoot down planes. The RAF retired the Tornado F3 many, many years ago. Also I remember people being warned about low flying RAF jets here about 10 years ago. They were doing familiarisation training of Irish terrain to aid QRA missions should the get the call.
darkpagandeath wrote: » So you expect the Irish defence force to be a buffer for civilian threats ? Soldiers have no jurisdiction in such matters. The Garda need these capabilities. You cant send in the Military to arrest drug dealers or go after Gangs. That's madness and would lead to chaotic scenes in the dail. Unfortunately even In Ireland the Bad Bad guys have guns and AK 47s as seen in Dublin. Sure even down in Limerick some lad was running round with an AK in a housing estate was he not ?
Maximus Alexander wrote: » You'd think the Irish government could spring for a handful of older F16s or something. As an island nation it's pretty pathetic that we don't have even a token air defense.
